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Published: January 2007
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Discussion message Re: Bird Flu

Originally from: Mike EU has just published a survey of the occurence of highly pathogenic bird flu in EU wild birds. See http:/​/​www.pighealth.com/​influenza2.htm Mike

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: Ron Hello Coleen and Francis, As someone, who in the 1960's and '70's, was involved with Public Protection in the event of Nuclear War, I can tell you that there was very little protection for the 'masses'. Right up to the 1970's when all Civil Defence and the Royal Observer Corps were disbanded, any so called 'Protection' was just a cynical exercise. But as a poster at that time said, "Will the living envy the dead".

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: coleen Hi Francis I agree with what you write…who in their right minds would believe or feel reassured by anything that 'lot' say! If bird flu really did get a hold here – how on Earth they would deal with it I have NO idea.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: coleen Hi Francis I agree with what you write…who in their right minds would believe or feel reassured by anything that 'lot' say! If bird flu really did get a hold here – how on Earth they would deal with it I have NO idea.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: frances fish Well, what do we think of Debby Reynolds letting slip that they knew bird flu was in this country in October last year ? Are we surprised by this coyness to come clean ? Are we surprised at their reticence to share the knowledge ? Sadly no, we are not. Many suspect that the same happened pre 2001 FMD as they ordered posters and made enqiiries about stock piles of timber for the pyres. All routine ?

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: Bird Flu

Originally from: mona parr Not sure what is going on but my message re-dead swans has taken over 2 weeks to come back to me Heard nothing about tests on swans so assume they died of natural causes--like lead poisoning or swallowing fishing line!!

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: Bird Flu

Originally from: mona parr Good idea Joyce I dont have poultry thank goodness as 2 dead swans have been removed from my grazing this week for testing I asked now what? Nothing …just wait for results!!

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Bird Flu

Originally from: Joyce May I suggest that anyone who had a form from the SVS [State Vet Service – sounds more like USSE every day]asking for the numbers of poultry kept uses the prepaid envelope to send them some well chosen info from warmwell.com I suggest only a couple of sentences with references as we all know how short their attention span is when it comes to learning anything new.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: Bird flu and the Pensions Crisis

Originally from: Bill Never in the entire history of the planet has a government convinced its subjects of the non-essentiality of an essential nutrient. That is not until this government's campaign to discourage people from eating salt. I kid you not, the country where people live the longest, Japan, is the country where people eat the diet highest in salt, 28 grammes a day on average.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: latest from warmwell.com on bird flu.

Originally from: coleen Hi Two cases (so they tell us) so far, and both times wrong information given. The Quarantine Centre in Essex (samples from Finches and Parrots muddled up) when asked – how this could happen Margaret Beckett had NO answer. Heavens, what would happen if they were swamped with tests? Then the Swan who changed species and was probably washed ashore from another Country – so they would have us believe.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Fw: latest from warmwell.com on bird flu.

Originally from: coleen Hi Two cases (so they tell us) so far, and both times wrong information given. The Quarantine Centre in Essex (samples from Finches and Parrots muddled up) when asked – how this could happen Margaret Beckett had NO answer. Heavens, what would happen if they were swamped with tests? Then the Swan who changed species and was probably washed ashore from another Country – so they would have us believe.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message latest from warmwell.com on bird flu.

Originally from: Mary Critchley April 12 2006 ~ "DEFRA is like a dead swan – Discuss" Magnus Linklater in The Times today asks: "Why are we still shuttling dead birds across the country to the single laboratory capable of testing them, when there is a sophisticated and foolproof form of local testing that could diagnose the virus in under six hours? " "....

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message RE: Bird flu and the Pensions Crisis

Originally from: Pat Gardiner Defra are a conspiracy theory. The stuff of nightmares. Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Fw: Advocates for Animals'' latest Press Statement in response to Bird Flu

Originally from: coleen ----- Original Message ----- From: ... Originally from: "Alexis Lacy" <...> To: <...> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: Advocates for Animals' latest Press Statement in response to Bird Flu PRESS STATEMENT Thursday 6 April 2006 – For Immediate Use IN RESPONSE TO THE CONFIRMATION THAT A SWAN IN SCOTLAND HAS DIED OF HIGHLY PATHOGENIC...

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Bird flu and the Pensions Crisis

Originally from: Mike I have never been particularly fond of conspiracy theories, but Defra's knack for fostering them, has even got me wondering now!... Here's my Bizarre Conspiracy Theory (yes I know its nonesense, but on the other hand the evidence is pretty compelling!!)....

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message RE: Purdey

Originally from: frances fish Welcome back Mark. We missed you. Glad you are on the mend, just in time for bird flu. Any comments ? Frances

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Re: RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: coleen Hi Francis We are fine here in this part of Cumbria. Listened to King this morning. The vaccines we have at the moment for the birds are NO good, so we are waiting for the new type that they are working on and developing in China. That should take another couple of months (more like how long is a piece of string). Sounds more like 'here we go again'! Endemic here for 5 years when it does strike us, he went onto say.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message RE: Bird Flu

Originally from: frances fish Hi Coleen, How are you ? Bird Flu seems to have awoken everyone up, perhaps because of the terrible deja vu it gives from 2001 ?Anyway, as I understand it, we have only just ordered a few million doses(not nearly sufficient but then, money is tight, war is expensive)of vaccine. Possibly we were shamed into this by other EU members who are better prepared ?

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:54
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Discussion message Bird flu control - ancient & modern wisdom!

Originally from: Mike One of my veterinary colleagues in Hong Kong is engaged at present in vaccinating birds against H5N1. What else can be done? Well, lets look at some ancient wisdom on these matters… Shamanism is an ancient and wise approach to healing and lifestyle which can be traced back at least 30,000 years (recorded in Palaeolithic cave drawings) and which, as a philosophy, has spread into all cultures, sciences and religions – see...

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:53
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Discussion message Bird flu & Disease Epidemics in General

Originally from: Mike As the news breaks this weekend that the world epidemic of Bird flu has now spread across Europe via migrating swans, it is, synchronistically, today, the 5th Anniversary of the start of the world's worst foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) epidemic in which between 5 and 8 million animals (mostly healthy and uninfected) were slaughtered. These included children's pet lambs, calves, goats and even zoo animals.

Nigel Cannings 14 January 2007 04:53