Topic: affecting goats
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| Subject | Author | Date |
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| Published: January 2007 | ||
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats
Originally from: Chris Yes I bet you can and you know them as individuals not only because of the way they look but because of their different characters, even with several hundred this is possible. I have seen shepherds in the past, family members in Wales stand and look at a flock of several hundred sheep maybe for a hour, I would here a muttered ones missing then all of a sudden dog is sent off, back it came some while later with lost sheep.He... |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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RE: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats
Originally from: Christine Ball Hi All. I wasn't referring to owners of smaller herds knowing their own goats though Mary is quite correct with her comments concerning commercial herds. We have several very big ones now (up to 3000 head!)and they mainly use tags or leg-bands which are easily read. We need to officially identify our goats for other purposes eg. at shows/semen collections/milk recording checks/veterinary scrapie visits, etc. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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RE: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats
Originally from: Farmtalking Yes, I'm sure that's true in many cases where only a few goats are kept but I understand there are some fairly large herds of milking goats, (I'm sure Christine could tell us!),and I would imagine that if they are all the same breed, all for instance white and about the same age, they would certainly be very difficult to positively identify even if the herdsman knew them well! |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats
Originally from: Sue Burton But surely,we are discussing people with a smaller amount of animals,and surely we would be able to identify them because we know them individually?. I certainly know mine and I dont need a tag or a tattoo to tell me who they are. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Farmtalking It's a nice idea Chris and probably true if the flock is just a few animals say possibly up to a hundred or so, but flocks of 2,000 or more, or herds of goats all of the same breed and it could be very difficult! One could never be certain of having absolutely the correct identity. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Chris I am somewhat puzzled by the comment you make "How would we identify our animals without earmarking etc" I would assume that you would know your individual animals so well that you would not need the addition of eartagging by Defra to assist you,also since you would have had some of these animals several years and they are effectively pets rather more than food animals surely recognising them individually cannot be a problem. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:16 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Chris The migration problem with the chips is minimal now, they don't move around, they redesigned them as in the erlier ones it wasw a problem. I don't think the cost of readers would be an issue, vets,defra officials already have them, and I think it would be entirely feasible for various groups to lease these if they were needed, however I can't see that a group would need to have them as it is only the necessary officials who... |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Christine Ball Hello Mary. No it doesn't shock me, we are all entitled to our own opinions. I just think that to say "no" would be short-sighted. How would we identify our animals without earmarking or whatever? Cheers, Christine (GoatsUK). |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Christine Ball Hi Chris. Yes microchipping is currently being discussed by Defra and various societies. The problems include chips "migrating" and the cost of the readers. Goat earmarks are regularly checked by vets, at shows, semen collections, etc so many people would need readers however many of us think this is the way forward. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Chris I watched some puppies being tattooed I thought it was horrific so is eartagging, is there a reason why you can't have chips like the other animals do, i.e. dogs,cats,fish,budgies and horses? As you so rightly point out tags get caught, ears get torn, awful, presumably if you have a goat with a torn ear you can't show it anymore, and the chips could contain the info needed for movement etc. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Mary Critchley Christine. All due respect to you and others who have been fighting their corner but I think that all livestock owners should just say NO. Any decent union would back them to do just that. Sorry if this shocks you – but the rules and regulations are bloody mad and help no one at all. Except perhaps a government absolutely determined to rid itself of traditional livestock farming. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Christine Ball You would not believe the battle goatkeepers have been having to get to this compromise Mary. It was looking like we would be expected to tattoo TWO lines in the left ear to get all the info in and some of us with breeds that have small ears just knew we did not have space. Also two lines would be bound to hit blood vessels. We tattoo the right ear anyway and have done for years to register our goats with the BGS. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Re: Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Mary Critchley Eartagging….How quick the British are to collude in their own destruction out of a depressingly misplaced confidence in the "authorities". But what is even more depressing is that it's the animals who suffer first. Take a step back and just think about what DEFRA sound like with their utterly obnoxious rules and regulations….. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |
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Latest earmarking/movement news affecting goats.
Originally from: Christine Ball The following news has been received from Ruth Goodwin of the British Goat Society and affects ALL goats which must be earmarked according to the rules below. If anybody needs help or more info please contact me on ... Cheers, Christine Ball. |
Nigel Cannings | 14 January 2007 02:15 |





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