RE; Britsish Cattle Movement system

Originally from: frances fish
                        
Hi again George, you are evading the question. Would YOU use the phone to register a calf with the BCMS, polite or not ? P.S. You are so keen to defend them are you on a percentage perhaps ?
 It is refreshing to eventually meet someone who has a good word to say about them, though, I'm sure they would appreciate it if they knew. Frances ,in the real world without the rose coloured specs !
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Originally from: Pat Gardiner
                        
..and I bitterly resent those who support and defend a corrupt system for their own financial benefit.

I saw blood test faking and a covert examination of our cow immediately prior to FMD during CSF. I thought in British farming's interest the matter must be reported.

Despite blatant intimidation, Scudamore, Parliament, as a witness to a select committee, and eventually, in desperation, the EU investigators were informed. I imagine I had more than a little to do with Britain losing 600M. If so, I'm very proud of such a result

Sorry, but my freedom to have a worthwhile retirement free of fear and bullying by criminals in public employ comes before lying cheating and general skulduggery in the name of "exports".

Check back you will find that most of the people at the centre of both BSE and CSF/FMD were one and the same. When they appeared before Phillips they all suffered amnesia...many were criticised.

Now, we have no livestock, I'm out of the game...but I tell you this nobody who wishes to speak freely and openly; to behave decently and honourably should ever trust anyone currently associated with Maff-Defra or related agencies and civil service

Phone calls? Computers?

Get it in writing and if you are going to stand up to them, watch your back.

Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com

Originally from: gee
                        
No I use CTS and have, from the very moment it became available.
I speak as I find "It works"
You are able to print out a copy of any data that you send to BCMS, instant confirmation.
Fool proof.
The reasons why may be arguable, but before cattle exports can restart and with it the chance of a better return for our cattle, BCMS must be shown to be accurate and up to date.
Great strides have been made towards this which for a government organised computer system is quite remarkable.
I bitterly resent individuals who for reasons of their own choose to disrupt the system and damage it's credibility and thus disadvantage the individuals who have got their act together and met the deadlines.
gee

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
For Gee –

You obviously hold a rigid mindset over the BCMS issue and appear to be incapable of reading what i am actually saying here.

I reiterate for the last time that I did send in my last batch of calf passports on time ,and that the post had delayed the delivery by five days – also admitted by BCMS themselves.

I will also reiterate for the last time , that, like you, I do support the basic set up of calf passports and have no intention of disrupting this system by my actions. My issue is with the maladministration of this system by some of its officials and their intransigent position that they have adopted towards resolving some of its problems – most especially the working towards the most appropriate form of penalty for late applications. No one in their right mind could agree on a penalty which ends up depriving the community of a supply of food. The offender should recieve the punishment, not the global community.

Why is the farmer who registers 1000 calves a year so much more 'professional' in the mind of Gee than the farmer who only registers 35. The obvious difference is that the famer who is registering 1000 calves a year is going to employ labour – probably a farm secretary – who will take care of all of the bureaucratic work without ever being required to go outside and get their hands mucky.

Put yourself in a day of my life and you would find yourself needing about three bodies to cope with the seven days a week of working to keep my show on the road. Apart from having eight demanding children to bring up ( most of them teenagers who need taxiing around ) , over recent weeks I have been running the farm single handedly ( milking twice daily / organising TB testing / pulling turnips ), building an extension bedroom onto my barn conversion, refurbishing the milking parlour, building a further cattle yard, writing / editing and peer reviewing my own and other people's medical journal articles, writing a book, delivering visiting lectures at various Uni departments, organising the microprobe analysis of my samples, applying for a patent, carrying out a field study in Sicily, filling out single farm payment forms, filling out research grant applications, filling out family income supplement benefit forms.......... and now organising a court case to achieve my legal right to a cattle passport etc. Much that I like doing things and running a full life, I do not particularly like having to waste my time with the petty bureaucratic wrangles over the passport of one calf .

Best,

mark
                        

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
Dear Gee,

You have a curious obsessive preoccupation with the details of BCMS machinations, which betrays the possibility that you have some personal vested interests in the system – or maybe you are the kind of person who has nothing better to do than to fastitidiously nit pick the details – abit like those OAPs who skulk around on street corners inspecting the tax disks / parking tickets displayed in people's cars and then report them to the authorities for the slightest suggestion of any offence. For God's sake, there is so much more to life than licking up to BCMS !!!!!! Do they feature in your dreams ?

Whilst you might wish to mock those of us who have been unfortunate enough to come up against the dark demons, as you put it, this is sadly a reality of life for those of us who do try to expose facets of the establishment that pose some kind of an economic or political or purely personal threat to those senior officials in the upper echelons..

I do not wish to bore you, but my farm and family were subjected to such a bizarre catalogue of weird events , that the Times, Guardian and Independent newspapers carried large four and five page feature articles on these events over the years. And since newspapers do have to get their facts right when actually publicising sufficient detail that will identify the culprits and the police visits involved ( as was the case in the story about my life }, then they are hardly going to risk their credibility by publishing totally fabricated stories, are they ? They would get instantly sued for defamation

Did I have sand in my eyes when my house was burnt down ? when my solicitor was murdered ? when my telephone line were repeatedly vandalised ? when my family was shot at with guns ?, when my driveway was barricaded on days when i had to leave the farm to give evidence in the house of commons. All of these events are on the police record , in solicitior's letters – therefore are real and factual events. So don't you dare start making mockery of these sinister unsavoury experiences in my or anyone else's life ( Pat et al ) ever again.

It was only when Rt Hon Tom King and HRH Prince Charles ( and then later Michael Meacher ) became personally involved with my work in a supportive capacity, that all of these problems surrounding the physical intimidation of my farm and family ceased immediately. Would these high ranking people risk their credibility by privately and publically associating themselves with me if they had any hint of the suggestion that i was a rustic paranoiac ? furthermore, Tom King oversees the activities of the Intelligence agencies , so he , of all people, should know what has been going on behind the scenes.

Mark
                        

Originally from: gee
                        
I suggest that you read pages 8 and 9 of the Cattle keepers handbook, page nine in particular that deals with reasons that will be accepted for a late application and those that will not.
Both of these sections deal with your reasons.
Easter is not an "Unusual postal delay"
"Being too busy with other farm work" is not a reasonable excuse to fail to comply with the rules.
There has been no maladministration.
The point I am making is that a large proportion of the errors that exist within BCMS are due to inaccurate data supplied by individuals who have a "that'll do attitude" compounded by individuals such as your self who refuse to co-operate for their own reasons.
Massaging your own ego with hints of dark demons that only you and a select band of others have seen and expecting the world at large to fall in line behind you improves nothing.
You may wish to pursue your dreams but please do not do it at the expense of other perfectly legitimate and honest agricultural business people.
I hope the "Family income supplement benefit system is not as corrupt as BCMS and that you manage to get the form posted on time to meet the deadline......but I suppose you will won't you...
Gee

Originally from: gee
                        
Getting back to the core issue here "your refusal to use CTS" on the grounds that you would never give a government agency your e-mail address.
Why is it that on your extensive web site, that clicking the button contact me, up comes an e-mail address for you.
I would have thought that even the most lowly of government labourers would be able to figure that one out.
As I said if you crave credibility then at least appear as if you are credible.
The national broadsheets perhaps did cover your story in detail, but make no mistake it would be carefully written so as to report your views or to pose questions to government or wherever, A small band of lawyers make considerable amounts of money making sure they get it right.
Remember the downfall of many has been when they began to believe their own publicity.
As for as nit picking goes that is a bit rich coming from you, if there was to be a medal for nit picking then Mark Purdey would have to get it.
I have no connection at all with BCMS other than a user and cattle farmer who is ready to move on and back into profitability, some things you can something's you cannot.
gee
P.S. Just registered a calf birth this morning using CTS, it took about 2 minutes and I have a print out confirming that it will be placed on the register

Originally from: Farmtalking
                        
Hi!

I think that's enough don't you?

This message board was set up to be linked to the web site 'Farmtalking' to offer to and share with each other, 'information help and advice'. The only rule is that we remain courteous and polite in our postings.

Mark is not the only one to have experienced difficulties with the BCMS and they have not always resolved the problems in a sensible and responsible manner.

However, Mark chose to share his problem with us and it was kind of Gee to draw attention to the CTS 'on-line' scheme for cattle registrations.

Use of the on-line scheme is not compulsory and some choose not to do so for many reasons.

At times it's hard to accept the decisions of others and frustrating when they appear not to take our advice or fully understand our problems!

Nevertheless, we all need to excersise self-control at times and this is one of them. We cannot expect people to follow our advice or understand us if we engage in 'bickering and fault finding' with each other. Therefore I hope this particular thread, it will end here!

Thank you!

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
Gee,

Why don't you read my emails properly before you launch off on yet another aberrant misappropriated accusation. Please show us the lines where I have said that I do not wish to give any government agency my email address ??

 All government agencies that I have been involved with have my email address, and I have no problem with that. I had even posted an email that I had sent to BCMS on farmtalking, so I am clearly in dialogue with them via email. Furthermore, I have never said that I do not wish government agencies to have my email address.

You are a muddled person.

Mark.