Re: Democracy ?

Originally from: Bill
                        
Democracy? What democracy? We never had one did we? It was all a sham, the country was governed by the Monarch and Privy Council. Then a slippery lawyer called Blair came along and realised he and his paymasters could take it all for themselves, and (in the absence of a written Constitution) there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Blair has the worst Parliamentary voting/attendance record of any Prime Minister in history, clear evidence that he sees Parliament as irrelevant to the process of Government.

And we can all look forward to another four years of him, unless the pacemaker he just had fitted in Egypt packs up! (You don't think he would have willingly missed a photo opportunity as big as the Tsunami do you?)

All the best,
Bill.
                        

Originally from: frances fish
                        
2 stories here, recently posted with an alarming similarity to me. One says that after the usual lip service to "consultation", Mrs Beckett is to press ahead with GM crops and technology (despite Public opinon being firmly against this whatever their own spin says to the contrary). She is to disband the very body set up to monitor events and provide guidance. So, no safeguards, no compensation ,no choice, no voice ? Stakeholder groups ? Does anyone believe they make any difference ? Fewer and fewer wil be naive enough to take part. The second story is of 2 knowledgible dissenters in the TSE war of propaganda. Transmissible ? Unproven except in a lab, surely ? Cannot argue against the SE part , only the "T" is extremely dubious to me. 2 scientists who could have made a difference are now out of the equation (does one David Kelly spring to mind ?) Outside of James Bond books, does this sort of thing happen ? Increasingly, many come to the conclusion that it does. Where money or power (usually both), are involved, there are no rules, no ethics, no taboos. Is this still a democracy, is the US ? To me democracy is freedom of speech, freedom of information to make judgements in my life. I fear I have neither.Why does the Government think/know there is voter apathy out here, do you think ? Could just be that few still think that their opinion, based on knowledge that has been censored, sanitised and spun before it ever gets in the Public dormain, doesn't make a scrap of difference. They may protest and argue but no-one will listen. Decisions are made at no. 10 whether people want it or like it or not. Will it stop those with a mind from fighting back ? No. Will it make any difference ? Now, that IS the big question. Just a few New Year thoughts,
Frances
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Originally from: mark purdey
                        
Hi folks,

There seem to have been scores of deaths or 'smear attacks ' surrounding TSE experts worldwide. they could all of course be pure coiincidence.

My vet died in a very similar manner to Professor Beth Williams and Tom Thorne, after he had sent mad cow brain tissue ( from a BSE cow that had died on my farm ) to his former professor at Cambridge University – Prof Carringham – who was going to investigate for levels of OP insecticides in the brain samples. My vet had perhaps made the mistake of being quoted in the Independent newspaper ( three weeks before he died ) " Purdey is asking legitimate questions about the origins of BSE that need answers, and I am trying to help him to achieve those answers ".......

Three weeks later the local paper reported the story " Mystery Vet Death Riddle" , after his car had veered across the straight road between Minehead and Williton into the path of an oncoming lorry. The surviving driver of the lorry reported ; "It was as though he had been magnetised into the front of my cab ".

I tried to trace the brain tissue , but it had gone completely missing , never arriving at its destination in Cambridge.

My soilictor, who had won my high court case against MAFF in 1985 which prevented them from using OPs on my cows under the Warble fly order 1982,. died in 1988 outside Crediton in a similar manner. He had also run other high profile cases against gov and multinational interests.

Likewise, the Dr ( whose name I forget right now ) who presided over the Corsellis collection of brains held at Chelmsford Neurological hospital – who had just published a paper to counter government claims that the first case of vCJD was in 1995 – was found dead in his jeep at 4am in the morning having rolled down a motorway embankment outside Chemsford. It was blamed on him having a heart attack. He was only 40 years old.

It goes on and on.........

so I do not know about Beth Williams and Tom Thorne. I vaguely knew them both. She did tow the government line in public, but I kind of felt that she was too intelligent and ethical to totally believe in the political line she was being forced to take in public.

I heard alot about the Colorado CWD researchers via friends who knew them well and the backdoor – eg; what their real feelings were, and how much pressure they had been under from government on high. They had run these trials injecting deer with radioactive metals as well as taking them up to the nuclear weapons plant where there had been this massive leak duringn the 1960s / 1970s. One of the effects of these trials was the development of CWD which had appeared for the first time in this batch of deer that had been experimented on
!! Beth was the first to identify these neuropathological lesions of TSE in deer, yet she did not publish until 13 years later – very odd , since research scientists are usually rushing to get novel discoveries in the academic literature. she had obviously been ordered to delay the publication should anyone outside their circle of researchers have put two and two together.There research was funded by the US atomic agency and US gov.

Thus, they were pertified of me – and I mean petrified – when I turned up to research CWD in 1995 with the view that it was environmental factors. They were obviously worried about what I might turn up. I got followed by 'honey trap' young girls who were clearly more interested in finding out about what I had been finding out in respect of CWD ( I had just visited the Rocky Mountain Arsenal OP nerve gas factory !!! ) than what they were pretending to be doing ( eg – wanting to seduce me !!! ) – one has to laugh at it. They were such bad actresses and quickly betrayed the fact that they had been briefed in my personal details – type of music, poetry I like, etc !! I merely fed them disinformation whilst pretending that I had not sossed them out. !!! They probably returned to their bosses and instantly got the sack !!!

Anyway, the Beth Williams / Tom Thorne deaths do stink abit to me – considering the timing of this renewed BSE warfare between the US / canada. But it would be unlikely to be the USDA who are wanting to keep the borders open, but would be the all too powerful global corporations that have been milking millions out of the border being closed. I visited the Cargill slaughterhouse factory – a gruesome conveyor belt affair – whilst I was in Canada last and my investigations seemed to stand up what the Canadian ranchers had been telling me, that they were buying up all the Canadian beef for nothing, and then using a legal loophole to ship it across the border into the US where the beef was sold for high prices. Meanwhile both the Canadian ranchers and the US ranchers were being forced to sell their businesses ( guess to whom ? – the massive Cargill cattle feedlot sector !!! ) because no US farmer could afford to compete with the knock down beef prices which the Cargill monopoly were paying the cornered Canadian ranchers for theircattle. Meanwhile the corporate employed agent provocateurs who were working as slaughter house inspectors on the payrole of the USDA were busy enforcing the hygene laws to a ridiculous extreme to get the smaller slaughterhouses that compete with Cargill out of business. There was a famous court case last year that part proved this.

So my guess is that if Beth and Tom were murdered ( and it is technologically feasible to carry that out in the way that it happened ) then it was masterminded by some multinational employed agents, since the corporations have been making billions out of this BSE fiasco. Its all bloody money. sick. I think the US government are just abit apathetic to the whole thing and probably on bribes, etc, but , like all governments across the world, need to start rooting out the infiltrators in their ranks and erasing the corruption. HRH told me that the multinationals are virtually controlling DEFRA through their infiltrators. We have a real big war on, but getting the Ministers to realise what is truly happening within their ranks is the first step I think.

Take care,

Mark
                        

Originally from: frances fish
                        
Funny you should say that of Tony Blair, Bill. 2 days ago, my husband said he thought that he might be in hospital somewhere(Egypt or not) having treatment. He has looked so ill the last few times he's appeared in public.Wonder if we're right ? Or are you speaking from an informed viewpoint ? Frances

Originally from: Bill
                        
An educated guess, Frances. He will need to have a pacemaker fitted sooner or later and if he wanted it to be done on the quiet Egypt would be the place. (Homeland of Blair's heart consultant Professor Sir Magdi Yacoub of Imperial College and Harefield Hospital). You will no doubt recall Blair was taken to Harefield after his heart flutter at Chequers, prior to being transferred to the Hammersmith Hospital.
                        

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
Yes Ron,

And what about the Hilda Murrell murder inquiry ? – the elderly lady who was found murdered in ploughed field the night before she was due to deliver a high level paper to the Sizewell fast breeder reactor public Inquiry.

The police investigation simply dried up on that.

Best ,

Mark