Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: UK Foot and Mouth 2001

Originally from: Joyce

Pat,
That was the same month, Aug 2000, that blood tests were being taken from 'random' sheep flocks purportedly for agalactica sp?? and some other rather obscure disease to 'satisfy the EU that these diseases aren't present in UK'........
As I've reported in the past, my vet APPEARED TO ME [not shouting here, merely highlighting that this is only my opinion!!] to be very startled when I bought a goat in [Feb8th 2001]who became unwell..... 'when did it arrive and where did it come from?' etc.....
Joyce

Originally from: Pat Gardiner

I’ve been a complete idiot, I’ve been sitting on information relevant to the origins of the 2001 Foot and Mouth outbreak for three years.

I did not realise its significance.

The conspiracy theorists were right, FMD must have been present in the UK in the summer of 2000.

Maff-Defra did know and were covering it up, probably in the hope of retaining the prized “Disease Free Status.”

It is even possible to tell, within four days, when they first suspected problems.

PMWS and CSF (Swine Fever) were raging in August 2000 in East Anglia. Pigs were being slaughtered in their tens of thousands.

Maff were everywhere, but despite the problems, things were pretty calm.

It has already been long noted that there was a sudden change in their activities at the end of August. Maff started behaving very oddly…and unpleasantly.

They were discretely examining cattle in South Norfolk, using pig related visits as an excuse to get onto mixed farms and smallholdings, then finding excuses to examine cattle heads and feet.

I did think it a bit odd that a top government vet, also wife of a cattle farmer, should be dancing about unsafely behind a cow, or that another should be showing so much interest in the same cow’s eyesight on another visit.

They were supposed to be dealing with CSF in pigs, not messing about with cattle.

It wasn’t PMWS or CSF they were looking for in cattle, was it?

No wonder complaints to the Select Committee went unanswered and threats were flying about.

Maff had found Foot and Mouth in pigs and were afraid it had spread to other species.

They were right weren't they?

Regards Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com

Originally from: Pat Gardiner

Yes, we were approached for "random" tests on sheep for agalactica. We had four ewes. I was not convinced that it was "random." I have all the papers somewhere in my heap.

I dug my heels in and applied for the second time for the protection of the Speaker of the House of Commons.

I'm entitled to that as a witness to a Select Committee.

This was refused although Maff-Defra backed off from insisting on the tests.

I then decided to seek the protection of the European Commission. We met their serious fraud squad "somewhere in England" and gave evidence to them for something over two hours.

I think I can guess their next desination. They "raided" a Maff-Defra office.

I rather imagine that the balloon has gone up! This is going to be very bloody.

Regards
Pat Gardiner

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Subject: Re: [farmtalking] UK Foot and Mouth 2001
Pat,
That was the same month, Aug 2000, that blood tests were being taken from 'random' sheep flocks purportedly for agalactica sp?? and some other rather obscure disease to 'satisfy the EU that these diseases aren't present in UK'........ As I've reported in the past, my vet APPEARED TO ME [not shouting here, merely highlighting that this is only my opinion!!] to be very startled when I bought a goat in [Feb8th 2001]who became unwell..... 'when did it arrive and where did it come from?' etc..... Joyce
... wrote:
I’ve been a complete idiot, I’ve been sitting on information relevant
to the origins of the 2001 Foot and Mouth outbreak for three years.
I did not realise its significance.
The conspiracy theorists were right, FMD must have been present in the
UK in the summer of 2000.
Maff-Defra did know and were covering it up, probably in the hope of
retaining the prized “Disease Free Status.”
It is even possible to tell, within four days, when they first
suspected problems.
PMWS and CSF (Swine Fever) were raging in August 2000 in East Anglia.
Pigs were being slaughtered in their tens of thousands.
Maff were everywhere, but despite the problems, things were pretty
calm.
It has already been long noted that there was a sudden change in their
activities at the end of August. Maff started behaving very oddly…and
unpleasantly.
They were discretely examining cattle in South Norfolk, using pig
related visits as an excuse to get onto mixed farms and smallholdings,
then finding excuses to examine cattle heads and feet.
I did think it a bit odd that a top government vet, also wife of a
cattle farmer, should be dancing about unsafely behind a cow, or that
another should be showing so much interest in the same cow’s eyesight
on another visit.
They were supposed to be dealing with CSF in pigs, not messing about
with cattle.
It wasn’t PMWS or CSF they were looking for in cattle, was it?
No wonder complaints to the Select Committee went unanswered and
threats were flying about.
Maff had found Foot and Mouth in pigs and were afraid it had spread to
other species.
They were right weren't they?
Regards Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com
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Originally from: Pat Gardiner

Since I made the extremely serious allegation that Maff-Defra were conducting covert inspections for FMD in cattle in South Norfolk on 30 August 2000, I have been waiting to see if anyone could come up with an alternative explanation for their behaviour.

The circumstances were described in some detail in http://pages.britishlibrary.net/patgardiner/stopworld3.htm

The frightening and dangerous results of complaining are covered elsewhere on the same site.

I posted here, on the other interested groups, and on the very hostile: uk.business.agriculture.

The responses, private and public, have been entirely supportive of the theory that FMD was in the UK in August 2000 except on ukba.

Nobody anywhere has been able to come up with any serious alternative explanation for the events, I described so long ago.

There has been abuse, of course, and attempts to change the subject, but nobody can explain the actions of that vet or indeed of Scudamore and co in response to a complaint.

In the absence of any explanation yet to come, we can now assume that FMD was discovered in East Anglian pigs in late August 2000 and that Maff-Defra kept it secret.

This, in turn, means that Britain was in contravention of International treaty and law and actually exported FMD to continental Europe.

Regards
Pat Gardiner

Author wrote:
Yes, we were approached for "random" tests on sheep for agalactica. We had
four ewes. I was not convinced that it was "random." I have all the papers
somewhere in my heap.
I dug my heels in and applied for the second time for the protection of the
Speaker of the House of Commons.
I'm entitled to that as a witness to a Select Committee.
This was refused although Maff-Defra backed off from insisting on the tests.
I then decided to seek the protection of the European Commission. We met
their serious fraud squad "somewhere in England" and gave evidence to them
for something over two hours.
I think I can guess their next desination. They "raided" a Maff-Defra
office.
I rather imagine that the balloon has gone up! This is going to be very
bloody.
Regards
Pat Gardiner
-----Original Message-----
From: joyce [...]
Sent: 03 April 2004 17:49
To: ...
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] UK Foot and Mouth 2001
Pat,
That was the same month, Aug 2000, that blood tests were being taken from
'random' sheep flocks purportedly for agalactica sp?? and some other rather
obscure disease to 'satisfy the EU that these diseases aren't present in
UK'........ As I've reported in the past, my vet APPEARED TO ME [not
shouting here, merely highlighting that this is only my opinion!!] to be
very startled when I bought a goat in [Feb8th 2001]who became unwell.....
'when did it arrive and where did it come from?' etc..... Joyce
... wrote:
I’ve been a complete idiot, I’ve been sitting on information relevant
to the origins of the 2001 Foot and Mouth outbreak for three years.
I did not realise its significance.
The conspiracy theorists were right, FMD must have been present in the
UK in the summer of 2000.
Maff-Defra did know and were covering it up, probably in the hope of
retaining the prized “Disease Free Status.”
It is even possible to tell, within four days, when they first
suspected problems.
PMWS and CSF (Swine Fever) were raging in August 2000 in East Anglia.
Pigs were being slaughtered in their tens of thousands.
Maff were everywhere, but despite the problems, things were pretty
calm.
It has already been long noted that there was a sudden change in their
activities at the end of August. Maff started behaving very oddly…and
unpleasantly.
They were discretely examining cattle in South Norfolk, using pig
related visits as an excuse to get onto mixed farms and smallholdings,
then finding excuses to examine cattle heads and feet.
I did think it a bit odd that a top government vet, also wife of a
cattle farmer, should be dancing about unsafely behind a cow, or that
another should be showing so much interest in the same cow’s eyesight
on another visit.
They were supposed to be dealing with CSF in pigs, not messing about
with cattle.
It wasn’t PMWS or CSF they were looking for in cattle, was it?
No wonder complaints to the Select Committee went unanswered and
threats were flying about.
Maff had found Foot and Mouth in pigs and were afraid it had spread to
other species.
They were right weren't they?
Regards Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com
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