High-horses,lies,subterfuge,trouble-making

Originally from: frances fish
                        
Decided to alter the title of these exchanges not to sully the name of Fred Brown. Paul,
To take what you say out of context, which is what you are wont to do. You say you "haven't a clue". Now, you know, and I know that is a misrepresentation of your comment but, at face value, you wrote it, I read it, I regurgitated it so it means something entirely different. Do you begin to get the drift ? Nobody suggested that you do not question, we urge you to do this, despite what you what translated this into. What I said was that you ought to open up your mind and read more and widely about subjects so that you can give what is termed an "informed" view before you dismiss anything that others write as incorrect or unsubstantiated. That in mind, I think the issue of milk from vaccinated cows was almost solely between Nestles and suppliers. Nestles had contracts which they stated would be terminated if dairy farmers were to have their cattle vaccinated, and then some time later, terminated the contracts anyway, thus successfully and totally shafting the poor individuals involved anyway.Much of this info IS, despite what you are implying, documented, and you could, if you took the trouble, research it. But, and I stress this, only if you take ( or make ) the time to do it. That is, of course, entirely up to you, but I think that most readers would discount uninformed opinions and try to correct you and point you in the right direction to the actual facts. Otherwise, we may just think you are sounding off from your high-horse, Paul. Again, I could be wrong, I'm sure ,if I am, you may well try to pick me up before I ever fall down. Hey, told you it must be my turn, Tally Ho !
Frances ( always willing to learn, but stubborn with it )
P.S. I'm enjoying this, carry on.....................
                        

Originally from: coleen
                        
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/RSE/enquiries/footandmouth/EVIDEN44.PDF

 NO objections to selling vaccinated meat and MILK in fact they went on to say that NO special labelling was even required as there was NO risk to the public. If you can be bothered to read this Paul you will see that everyone from the PM, N Brown The Chief Vet Scudamore and all the top leading supermarket bosses attendid this meeting at Chequers on April 12th

It was (as Francis wrote) Nestle who then made TB do a U Turn – he did want vaccination in Devon and Cumbria. But Nestle mindful of their export market (most of their milk gets exported to foreign Countries in dried format as baby powder). applied the pressure – and the rest as they say is history (full story here ) http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:GlXd0odnc9sJ:www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4252824,00.html+nestle+fmd+milk&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Coleen

Originally from: Paul Buxton
                        
Coleen says

Thanks for the links.

I now have difficulty understanding attitudes displayed here because
do they not confirm what I was saying, that it was the milk issue
which stopped the job?

C> It was (as Francis wrote) Nestle who then made TB do a U Turn – he did want C> vaccination in Devon and Cumbria. But Nestle mindful of their export market C> (most of their milk gets exported to foreign Countries in dried format as C> baby powder). applied the pressure – and the rest as they say is history C> (full story here )
C> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:GlXd0odnc9sJ:www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4252824,00.html+nestle+fmd+milk&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Cheerio, Paul

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Originally from: Paul Buxton
                        
Frances says

j> Paul,
j> To take what you say out of context, which is what you are wont
j> to do.

Am I ?

j> You say you "haven't a clue". Now, you know, and I know that
j> is a misrepresentation of your comment but, at face value, you
j> wrote it, I read it, I regurgitated it so it means something
j> entirely different. Do you begin to get the drift ? Nobody
j> suggested that you do not question, we urge you to do this, despite j> what you what translated this into. What I said was that you ought j> to open up your mind and read more and widely about subjects so
j> that you can give what is termed an "informed" view before you
j> dismiss anything that others write as incorrect or unsubstantiated.

j> That in mind, I think the issue of milk from vaccinated cows was
j> almost solely between Nestles and suppliers. Nestles had contracts
j> which they stated would be terminated if dairy farmers were to have j> their cattle vaccinated, and then some time later, terminated the
j> contracts anyway, thus successfully and totally shafting the poor
j> individuals involved anyway.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
j> Much of this info IS, despite what you
j> are implying, documented,
Where have I implied that then?

j> and you could, if you took the trouble,
j> research it.
I could yes, but it's so much easier to ask.
j> But, and I stress this, only if you take ( or make )
j> the time to do it. That is, of course, entirely up to you, but I
j> think that most readers would discount uninformed opinions and try
j> to correct you and point you in the right direction to the actual
j> facts.
Ah, you've hit on one of the ideas behind a forum such as this.

j> Otherwise, we may just think you are sounding off from your
j> high-horse, Paul.

I hate horses, I've fallen off them, been kicked by them and lost
money on them. I love bikes :-)

j> P.S. I'm enjoying this, carry on.....................

Pleased to be of pleasure.

Cheerio, Paul

7:21:23 PM
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