Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Consultation?

Originally from: Hilary Peters

I am confused.
I would like to give an opinion about future FMD measures. I am not paid to do this and I do have other things to do. Do Defra seriously want my opinion or is this an elaborate hoax?

Originally from: Farmtalking

Hi Hilary!

DEFRA has issued loads of Consultation Docs over the past months. All accessible from the DEFRA website and when I or Mona have the time, we try to draw attention to them here too. Some are also available on the Farmtalking web sites as .pdf Downloads, including this one. See – http://www.farmtalking.com/download_general.htm

The whole point of a 'Consultation Doc' is to give people a chance to be consulted and have their say and that includes you!

Paul mentioned that as this particular Document is 150 pages long, he for one, was unwilling to trawl through it and comment, as at his age he had better things to do!

I sympathise with him! Having read it through myself and invited others to send me their comments for incluson in my response if they wish, I've had no takers so far and time is running out as the responses have to be submitted by 20th February!

I too have other things to do that I would much prefer! However, I do feel that it's absolutely no good at all if all we can do is moan and criticise the Govt/DEFRA without making an effort to get our opinions and ideas across to them, especially when invited to do so.

The Govt held their enquiries and reccommendations were made; some are included in this and other consultation docs. but in my opinion further suggestions are needed and the policy still seems to be confusing and needs considerable clarification in some respects.

By all means make your comments. At least in the end if you don't like what is decided you will have tried to make things better for everyone and who knows maybe you will have succeeded!

Best wishes – Jane

Originally from: Hilary Peters

Dear Jane,

I was agreeing with Paul. 150 pages is a joke.
My comment comes in fewer words. It is:
The same tragedy will happen again because our culture has not changed. Changing the law will make no difference if we still treat the land as a commodity to be exploited, if we still think of animals as assetts to make money out of, if we still believe science can solve moral problems.
I believe the consultation document is there to obscure.

All the best,
Hilary

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Hi Hilary!
DEFRA has issued loads of Consultation Docs over the past months. All
accessible from the DEFRA website and when I or Mona have the time, we try to draw attention to them here too. Some are also available on the Farmtalking web sites as .pdf Downloads, including this one. See – http://www.farmtalking.com/download_general.htm

The whole point of a 'Consultation Doc' is to give people a chance to be
consulted and have their say and that includes you!

Paul mentioned that as this particular Document is 150 pages long, he for
one, was unwilling to trawl through it and comment, as at his age he had better things to do!

I sympathise with him! Having read it through myself and invited others to
send me their comments for incluson in my response if they wish, I've had no takers so far and time is running out as the responses have to be submitted by 20th February!

I too have other things to do that I would much prefer! However, I do feel
that it's absolutely no good at all if all we can do is moan and criticise the Govt/DEFRA without making an effort to get our opinions and ideas across to them, especially when invited to do so.

The Govt held their enquiries and reccommendations were made; some are
included in this and other consultation docs. but in my opinion further suggestions are needed and the policy still seems to be confusing and needs considerable clarification in some respects.

By all means make your comments. At least in the end if you don't like
what is decided you will have tried to make things better for everyone and who knows maybe you will have succeeded!

Best wishes – Jane
Author wrote:
I am confused.
I would like to give an opinion about future FMD measures. I am not
paid to do this and I do have other things to do.
Do Defra seriously want my opinion or is this an elaborate hoax?

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Originally from: brentns

Subject: Re: [farmtalking] RE: Consultation?
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:43:05 -0000
Dear Jane,
I was agreeing with Paul. 150 pages is a joke.
My comment comes in fewer words. It is:
The same tragedy will happen again because our culture has not changed.
Changing the law will make no difference if we still treat the land as a
commodity to be exploited, if we still think of animals as assetts to make
money out of, if we still believe science can solve moral problems.
I believe the consultation document is there to obscure.

Dear Hilary,

That's a gem. Succinct and absolutely spot on..

"if we still believe science can solve moral problems"

Absolutely the crux of the issue..

Defra (and government) Modus Operandi:

If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.
Thomas Pynchon

All the Best
brent

I did actually download the thing.. I got as far as reading the index When i saw "Daily Battle Rhythm".. I immediately thought of "Fog of War"!!!.. and
Nacht und Nebel

All the best,
Hilary
----- Original Message -----
From: <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [farmtalking] RE: Consultation?
Hi Hilary!
DEFRA has issued loads of Consultation Docs over the past months. All
accessible from the DEFRA website and when I or Mona have the time, we try
to draw attention to them here too. Some are also available on the
Farmtalking web sites as .pdf Downloads, including this one. See –
http://www.farmtalking.com/download_general.htm

The whole point of a 'Consultation Doc' is to give people a chance to be
consulted and have their say and that includes you!

Paul mentioned that as this particular Document is 150 pages long, he
for
one, was unwilling to trawl through it and comment, as at his age he had
better things to do!

I sympathise with him! Having read it through myself and invited others
to
send me their comments for incluson in my response if they wish, I've had
no
takers so far and time is running out as the responses have to be submitted
by 20th February!

I too have other things to do that I would much prefer! However, I do
feel
that it's absolutely no good at all if all we can do is moan and criticise
the Govt/DEFRA without making an effort to get our opinions and ideas
across
to them, especially when invited to do so.

The Govt held their enquiries and reccommendations were made; some are
included in this and other consultation docs. but in my opinion further
suggestions are needed and the policy still seems to be confusing and needs
considerable clarification in some respects.

By all means make your comments. At least in the end if you don't like
what is decided you will have tried to make things better for everyone and
who knows maybe you will have succeeded!

Best wishes – Jane
Author wrote:
I am confused.
I would like to give an opinion about future FMD measures. I am not
paid to do this and I do have other things to do.
Do Defra seriously want my opinion or is this an elaborate hoax?

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