Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Yes, you are being monitored.

Originally from: Pat Gardiner

There are problems with postings, I can't see one here that I know has been sent by WilliamMSnape.

However, I actually KNOW that newsgroups (don't know about this one especially) are watched. I will tell you exactly how I know.

Anyone who runs a website (me, Warmwell, Alan Beat for example) can have a log showing the "hits" on any individual page. It does not tell you much, but over a period you can tell who is reading if it is an organisation and what sent them to you.

OK, so I put a posting about something controversial like PMWS on a Usenet group such as uk.business.agriculture with a url leading to a page on my site.

I then sit back and watch for hits coming in. You can watch Mafs from all over the world checking to see what is being said.

Sometimes, when I have been really rude about the State Veterinary Service, I get that added bit of fun of watching them sweat for a change.

When serious investigators are involved, the pattern of hits tells me that they are downloading the entire site.

The world has changed. It is not just 16 year olds that can use the internet wisely. The idea that governments can hush things up belongs to history.

I know, for example, that the NZ government is following the British in trying to downplay their PMWS outbreak. No chance, I'm watching them and posting on seachable newsgroups, Burkie is watching us....and so it goes on.

Any scientist or journalist reseaching PMWS is bound to find me.

It's a good thing. We just have to get used to new ideas.

Regards
Pat Gardiner

Originally from: Joyce

Keep 'em on their toes..... transparency, openness and all that!!!! Joyce

Originally from: Ron

I don't know why you are worried about being 'monitored'. I was 'monitored' from some time in the 50's. You see I was classed as a wicked 'Commie' because I was an active official in the major union in TV and radio Broadcasting and also I was very active in the Peace Movement. My mail was opened, my telephone was tapped and I was frequently watched and followed. In view of other incidents, I suspect that at time my life was at risk. 'Their' problem was that as a technician I/we knew what they were up to. In the end we did not worry as there was not much we could do about it. Any way, our actions were, in the main, transparent. That's the way we worked. Most of you probably would have agreed with the actions of the intelligence services. Most of you probably didn't support the Dockers, the Miners, the Steel-workers and all the other Union Members who were savaged at the time. 'They' successfully 'duffed' all of us up, so now they have started on the farmers, the rural communities and any one else who gets in 'their' way.

TOUGH!!!!!!

Surely you didn't think they would let such a powerful instrument as the Internet/World Wide Web run without 'their' ability to monitor and/or turn it off at will.

There are very few methods of defeating The System, so lie back and enjoy it, or surrender. Oh, and for our noisy American friend, what are you going to do about Menwith Hill, that so called RAF Station near Harrogate. It is in fact an American Monitoring Station that monitors all most all radio signals, such as many of your telephone calls, entering and leaving this Sceptred Isle of ours, Europe and Eastern Europe. Sends them to a 'secret base', (we know where it is), in Scotland and then sends them to Colorado Springs. It does nothing for our health. But, as ever the good old US of A likes to know everybody's business. Nowadays, it's mainly commercial secrets!!!!

So come on Gary, you are good at firing shots at us what are you going do about that little bit of USA called Menwith Hill, near Harrogate, England, G reat Britain.

I hope you note more than a little cynicism there Folks, Ron.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised to get a loud knock on the door early this morning. R. :) <G>

Originally from: Burkie

Dear Ron: You are entitled to your opinions as I am to mine

When did the British government ever pay the United States to get you out of your predicament in WWII. Or France!! Who's going to pay the families for their losses of men that tried to protect you people?

We didn't need to send our sons over there to do that. But we did. They have never been given credit by your govenment for protecting your country...so rest in Peace, my friend. Brits seem to expect to pass off resonsibility to dumb-asses like me.

Why the heck I've tried to help you all is beyond me. Only explanation is, I didn't believe in your stupid idiotic country's policies to kill and cull and bury a whole lot of innocent animals. Your country did this....not mine. And I did my best, to prevent it from happening here, too.

So, go ahead and critisize me... for not being able to share more relevant information with you. Frankly, I have just about given up on this group....you whinge and whine and use the information Provided to your own benfit....without paying for it.

I feel dumbed and stupid.

Go do your own thing, Mr. Ron. Your comments were enlightening..

jane can knock me off this group in a heartbeat. If I get knocked off, I promise you one thing....there will never be any more information provided you don't pay for.

Burkie in Kansas

Author wrote:
I don't know why you are worried about being 'monitored'. I was 'monitored'
from some time in the 50's. You see I was classed as a wicked 'Commie'
because I was an active official in the major union in TV and radio
Broadcasting and also I was very active in the Peace Movement. My mail was
opened, my telephone was tapped and I was frequently watched and followed.
In view of other incidents, I suspect that at time my life was at risk.
'Their' problem was that as a technician I/we knew what they were up to. In
the end we did not worry as there was not much we could do about it. Any
way, our actions were, in the main, transparent. That's the way we worked.
Most of you probably would have agreed with the actions of the intelligence
services. Most of you probably didn't support the Dockers, the Miners, the
Steel-workers and all the other Union Members who were savaged at the time.
'They' successfully 'duffed' all of us up, so now they have started on the
farmers, the rural communities and any one else who gets in 'their' way.
TOUGH!!!!!!
Surely you didn't think they would let such a powerful instrument as the
Internet/World Wide Web run without 'their' ability to monitor and/or turn
it off at will.
There are very few methods of defeating The System, so lie back and enjoy
it, or surrender. Oh, and for our noisy American friend, what are you going
to do about Menwith Hill, that so called RAF Station near Harrogate. It is
in fact an American Monitoring Station that monitors all most all radio
signals, such as many of your telephone calls, entering and leaving this
Sceptred Isle of ours, Europe and Eastern Europe. Sends them to a 'secret
base', (we know where it is), in Scotland and then sends them to Colorado
Springs. It does nothing for our health. But, as ever the good old US of A
likes to know everybody's business. Nowadays, it's mainly commercial
secrets!!!!
So come on Gary, you are good at firing shots at us what are you going do
about that little bit of USA called Menwith Hill, near Harrogate, England, G
reat Britain.
I hope you note more than a little cynicism there Folks, Ron.
P.S. I wouldn't be surprised to get a loud knock on the door early this
morning. R. :) <G>

Originally from: Ron

Sorry Gary,

Regarding payment you are absolutely wrong, almost every asset this country had was taken to pay for the armaments and etc., that we received from the USA. The USA did not declare war on Germany, Germany declared war on the USA. Even in the 1940's there was a lot of pro-German sympathy in your country. Remember you have a large German descended population. We, the British were still clearing off our debt to you well after the war. We were still rationed until the early 50's, as we ploughed aid in to the continent.

Of course we appreciate what your troops did from 1942 onwards, but please stop believing that you single handed won the war. Start reading the true history of both World War One and World War Two.

As a boy I lived in a village surrounded by American camps and their behaviour at times was more like conquering heroes.

You still haven't answered my question about Menwith Hill, why do you need it. Our intelligence services do not have access to it.

A cynical old man, Ron.

P.S. For a 70 year old I, and many like me, did a hell of a lot during the FMD Horror. I just don't go round shouting about it. R.

Originally from: Ron

Re: my previous reply to Gary. I have checked up with my friend who knows these things.

Great Britain finally finished paying of it's wartime debt to the USA in 1972. The total sum was enormous. I believe it included a large amount of interest.

So Gary, will you at least apologise for that part of your tirade.

Ron.

P.S what does the USA need Menwith Hill for. The Cold War is officially over and there is a McDonalds in Moscow!

Originally from: Ron

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Dear Ron: You are entitled to your opinions as I am to mine
When did the British government ever pay the United States to get you out of your predicament in WWII. Or France!! Who's going to pay the families for their losses of men that tried to protect you people?
We didn't need to send our sons over there to do that. But we did. They have never been given credit by your govenment for protecting your country...so rest in Peace, my friend. Brits seem to expect to pass off resonsibility to dumb-asses like me.
Why the heck I've tried to help you all is beyond me. Only explanation is, I didn't believe in your stupid idiotic country's policies to kill and cull and bury a whole lot of innocent animals. Your country did this....not mine. And I did my best, to prevent it from happening here, too.
So, go ahead and critisize me... for not being able to share more relevant information with you. Frankly, I have just about given up on this group....you whinge and whine and use the information Provided to your own benfit....without paying for it.
I feel dumbed and stupid.
Go do your own thing, Mr. Ron. Your comments were enlightening..
jane can knock me off this group in a heartbeat. If I get knocked off, I promise you one thing....there will never be any more information provided you don't pay for.
Burkie in Kansas
Burkie in Kansas
Author wrote:
I don't know why you are worried about being 'monitored'. I was
'monitored'
from some time in the 50's. You see I was classed as a wicked 'Commie'
because I was an active official in the major union in TV and radio
Broadcasting and also I was very active in the Peace Movement. My mail was
opened, my telephone was tapped and I was frequently watched and followed.
In view of other incidents, I suspect that at time my life was at risk.
'Their' problem was that as a technician I/we knew what they were up to.
In
the end we did not worry as there was not much we could do about it. Any
way, our actions were, in the main, transparent. That's the way we worked.
Most of you probably would have agreed with the actions of the
intelligence
services. Most of you probably didn't support the Dockers, the Miners, the
Steel-workers and all the other Union Members who were savaged at the
time.
'They' successfully 'duffed' all of us up, so now they have started on the
farmers, the rural communities and any one else who gets in 'their' way.
TOUGH!!!!!!
Surely you didn't think they would let such a powerful instrument as the
Internet/World Wide Web run without 'their' ability to monitor and/or turn
it off at will.
There are very few methods of defeating The System, so lie back and enjoy
it, or surrender. Oh, and for our noisy American friend, what are you
going
to do about Menwith Hill, that so called RAF Station near Harrogate. It is
in fact an American Monitoring Station that monitors all most all radio
signals, such as many of your telephone calls, entering and leaving this
Sceptred Isle of ours, Europe and Eastern Europe. Sends them to a 'secret
base', (we know where it is), in Scotland and then sends them to Colorado
Springs. It does nothing for our health. But, as ever the good old US of A
likes to know everybody's business. Nowadays, it's mainly commercial
secrets!!!!
So come on Gary, you are good at firing shots at us what are you going do
about that little bit of USA called Menwith Hill, near Harrogate, England,
G
reat Britain.
I hope you note more than a little cynicism there Folks, Ron.
P.S. I wouldn't be surprised to get a loud knock on the door early this
morning. R. :) <G>

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