EU COMPULSORY SCRAPIE MEASURES

Originally from: mona parr
                        
EU COMPULSORY SCRAPIE MEASURES apply from Oct 1st
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Originally from Scottish Farmer--- concern is being expressed particularly for Shetland Island sheep breeders, although the island is scrapie free there are few Type 1 (ARR/ARR) rams.
If scrapie is 'imported' the whole flock would be taken out.
Also under the new rules, after a case of scrapie anywhere in Scotland, trading would be prohibited until three years after all the sheep in that flock are confirmed with the ARR/ARR
genotype. All rams other than type 1 would be culled.
This new regulation was 'rushed through' in Brussels where suggested amendments from the Scottish Executive were ignored.
Editorial comment--taken at face value the 'severe' stick offered by the EU legislation will do nothing more than drive the problem underground at the end of a JCB. If the legislation is backed by a full compensation package based on market value, this newspaper would hate to see a free-for-all scramble for money, such as that which seems to be happening in NI with TB and brucellosis.
                        

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
This is bloody appalling concerning the scrapie measures – absolutely disgraceful that such a wholly unscientific policy has been able to permeate its way to the top of EU agendas and take control .

But in a sense, it is the farming community's fault for allowing such stupidity to gain a foothold. We have the power to challenge the wobbly science that this whole myth is founded on . But we do not. The NFU , the sheep associations simply lick up to the so called 'experts' who have launched this suicide on our agriculrural system , and go along with them under the hopelessly naive assumption that these experts know best. They bloody do not.

It is very frustrating for me to watch this going on. In that I have t ravelled the world and carried out wholly scientifically credible analyses on the cluster areas of these scrapie-TSE diseases and I have pinpointed the cause. But because my research findings deviate from the ideas of our government expert's and are politically embarrassing, etc, (and I repeat ideas, because these notions are totally unsupported ), then government experts spend a few million more of our taxes in mounting campaigns of disinformation to discredit the true value of my work. So who do the NFU, National Sheep association, etc, listen to at the end of the day – the experts. This is the root of our problem.

It is the farming communities fault for allowing this ridiculous situation of government totalitarian take over to exist. You have the power to challenge them as individuals – or a group action via the high courts . Their science is non existant.

For instance – Scrapie susceptible genotypes are rife in the Australian sheep flock, yet no clinical scrapie emerges in that country at all. Why ?, because the specific environmental factors are not present in Australia that are required to switch on clinical disease . But if you export those scrapie susceptible genotypes into countries where the environmental factors do exist , then cases of scrapie will start to break out. We all carry suceptibilities to a myriad of diseases in our bodies, but that does not mean that we will contract a single one of them within our lifetimes – that's biology. All Disease is multifactorial and requires environmental exposures to viruses or chemicals or metals, etc, to manifest itself. The genetic susceptibility facet is not the whole story.

In the case of sheep, susceptibility to scrapie might even be advantageous in a genetic sense and be associated with providing unseen benefits to the animal in other areas of the biological system.Why have these animals survived the test of evolution so far ?, we must ask ourselves. We do not need to meddle in this way. To outright slaughter these animals is a totally and utterly insane policy of the highest degree. The so called scientists who are promoting this final farcical solution should be sacked instantly. I am nauseated by the thought of the burial graves following mass slaughter. We must rebel now.

Best,

Mark Purdey
                        

Originally from: Bill
                        
Mark

I have posted a couple of times about conversations I have had with Mark Hendrick M.P., who is Margaret Becket's PPS. Hendrick's official view is that as long as there is the smallest shadow of doubt animals will be slaughtered. Human life must be protected at all costs.

Privately Hendrick will admit the Government resents paying subsidies to the farming industry. The rest of it he leaves for you to work out yourself.

Government and scientists are scratching each others backs, a very difficult arrangement to break.

All the best,
Bill.
                        

Originally from: mark purdey
                        
Subj: Re: [farmtalking] EU COMPULSORY SCRAPIE MEASURES 
Date: 01/11/03 09:47:26 GMT Standard Time
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Originally from: <A HREF="mailto:MadCowPurdey">MadCowPurdey</A> To: <A HREF="...">...</A>
 

This is bloody appalling concerning the scrapie measures – absolutely disgraceful that such a wholly unscientific policy has been able to permeate its way to the top of EU agendas and take control .

But in a sense, it is the farming community's fault for allowing such stupidity to gain a foothold. We have the power to challenge the wobbly science that this whole myth is founded on . But we do not. The NFU , the sheep associations simply lick up to the so called 'experts' who have launched this suicide on our agriculrural system , and go along with them under the hopelessly naive assumption that these experts know best. They bloody do not.   

It is very frustrating for me to watch this going on. In that I have travelled the world and carried out wholly scientifically credible analyses on the cluster areas of these scrapie-TSE diseases and I have pinpointed the cause. But because my research findings deviate from the ideas of our government expert's and are politically embarrassing, etc, (and I repeat ideas, because these notions are totally unsupported ), then government experts spend a few million more of our taxes in mounting campaigns of disinformation to discredit the true value of my work. So who do the NFU, National Sheep association, etc, listen to at the end of the day – the experts. This is the root of our problem.

It is the farming communities fault for allowing this ridiculous situation of government totalitarian take over to exist. You have the power to challenge them as individuals – or a group action via the high courts . Their science is non existant.

For instance – Scrapie susceptible genotypes are rife in the Australian sheep flock, yet no clinical scrapie emerges in that country at all. Why ?, because the specific environmental factors are not present in Australia that are required to switch on clinical disease . But if you export those scrapie susceptible genotypes into countries where the environmental factors do exist , then cases of scrapie will start to break out.    We all carry suceptibilities to a myriad of diseases in our bodies, but that does not mean that we will contract a single one of them within our lifetimes – that's biology. All Disease is multifactorial and requires environmental exposures to viruses or chemicals or metals, etc, to manifest itself. The genetic susceptibility facet is not the whole story.

In the case of sheep, susceptibility to scrapie might even be advantageous in a genetic sense and be associated with providing unseen benefits to the animal in other areas of the biological system.Why have these animals survived the test of evolution so far ?, we must ask ourselves.  We do not need to meddle in this way. To outright slaughter these animals is a totally and utterly insane policy of the highest degree. The so called scientists who are promoting this final farcical solution should be sacked instantly. I am nauseated by the thought of the burial graves following mass slaughter. We must rebel now.

Best,

Originally from: Burkie
                        
Dear Mark:

Take the time to look into the investments of the Wittington Trusts. I think you will find that those that have tried to shut you down have pumped money into these trusts to more or less shut you down.

Theirs is another agenda.

Burkie in Kansas

Originally from: Ron
                        
Hi Mark,

So your advice is that we should not join the NSP scheme.

We have just purchased a Shetland Ram who tested, (before we acquired him), ARR/ARR R1. The NSP could not accept that he could be R1 as his parents did not satisfy the requirements to produce R1. He was tested again and was R1. The testers argued that the parents were wrong so DNA tested him. Result, correct parents. He is now registered to us, we have been told that they wish to test him again, though they have not approached us yet. My view is rather like the Russian leader when told that the USA had the capability to destroy the World 30 times over, said "Isn't once enough?". I am afraid that I wouldn't trust the result unless it was R1.

For his previous owner/breeder he produced 23 lambs here is her email :-

Originally from: Ron
                        
Of course Bill, 'Human life must be protected at all costs'. But if 'They' really believe that, then 'They' would immediately ban all forms of motor transport as it kills thousands of people every year. It's emissions cause health problems to millions of people every year. If 'They' seriously want to stop damage to the ozone layer 'They' would stop all air transport as it is very effective at dumping all it's pollutants right on sight, especially planes such as Concord which dumps at least 150 tons of unburned fuel for every 1000 tons used. That is apart from the polluting emissions. Low flying military aircraft are even worse at polluting our environment, just watch the back of all those jets that fly over us, with black clouds of unburned fuel leaving a trail.

We could go on, but of course these things are non-PC, so they pick on the innocent animals instead.

Ron.

Originally from: Bill
                        
They believe in it if it suits them, Ron. BSE is a good excuse to reduce numbers of animals and therefore subsidies.

All the best,
Bill.