Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: Secrecy and Censorship

Originally from: coleen

Thank you Francis that has put me off cappucino for good!! Why are they warning us about this now? Please not another outbreak of something else. There is a vaccine apparently suitable for use as a BW? in Countries with high sheep population. Did not read mention of vaccine on the DEFRA site but apologies if this is incorrect.

Is that all you wish the dishy legal beagle would get his hands on?

Coleen

Originally from: frances fish

Has anyone else noticed a posting on the National Pig Site and on Farmers Weekly that has been quickly withdrawn? The info was a case of Classical Swine Fever (notifiable disease) and location, Barnard Castle, Form "A" served on premises. Add to this new stuff on Defra site on this disease and, more worrying, as we keep sheep, new article on Sheep Pox (not diagnosed in this country for a VERY long time !) Picture of Pox loks like the top of someones cappucino, it could be anything, frightening isn't it ? Wish Lord Hutton and his rather dishy legal beagle would get their hands on FMD, SVS etc. Frances

Originally from: frances fish

Dear Colleen, At my age, he would have to be a toy-boy, and oh boy, he doesn't look much like a toy-boy ! Nice thought though. Rather think of that than what might be lurking out there. Cheers, Frances

Originally from: coleen

Dear Franicis – what has age got to do with it? When I read your postings I always imagine someone full of life and very funny. So ignore the date on the birth certificate and 'go with the flow'.

It is the idea of not knowing what is out there though, you are right. Then the knowledge of knowing how it would be dealt with. Sometimes I can see why people bury their heads in the sand and go with the flow (only sometimes – and it never lasts for long).

Coleen

Originally from: frances fish

A step further than spin is true censorship, not just putting the best gloss on a situation but supressing certain key(and important) facts. There has been some reports of new research into the MMR, 3in 1 jag for infant immunisation against certain childhood diseases. The uptake of the MMR has fallen due to an alleged connection with increasing levels of autism. Some parents did not wish to take that risk and wanted to opt for single injections, spread over a longer period. This option was denied to them (What freedom of choice do we see in action here ?) The new research originated from Japan. The MMR vaccination has been banned in Japan since the early 1990's. The Japanese government believes there is a possible link to meningitis. If this part of the reporting is ommitted, parents would be forgiven if they were to regard this as proof that the MMR is safe. This is not only irresponsible but, surely, possibly criminally negligent ? Frances
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Originally from: Peter Greenhill

Perhaps I am missing a point here. If the MMR vaccination process has been banned in Japan since the early 1990`s, upon what population did the researchers base their paper?

Peter

Originally from: brentns

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=thimerosal+vaccine&spell=1

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Subject: [farmtalking] RE: Censorship
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:50:29 +0000 (GMT)
This will help
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524895.300
Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan
05 March 2005
MMR and AutismPARENTS need have no more fears about the triple vaccine
against measles, mumps and rubella. A study of more than 30,000 children in
Japan should put the final nail in the coffin of the claim that the MMR
vaccine is responsible for the apparent rise in autism in recent years.
The study shows that in the city of Yokohama the number of children with
autism continued to rise after the MMR vaccine was replaced with single
vaccines. "The findings... are resoundingly negative," says Hideo Honda of
the Yokohama Rehabilitation Center.
In the UK, parents panicked and vaccination rates plummeted after
gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield claimed in a 1998 study that MMR might
trigger autism, although the study was based on just 12 children and later
retracted by most of its co-authors. Soon the vaccine was being blamed for
the apparent rise in autism, with Wakefield citing data from California
(see Graph). In some parts of the UK, the proportion of children receiving
both doses of the MMR vaccine has dropped to 60 per cent. This has led to a
rise in measles outbreaks and fears of an epidemic.
Not one epidemiological study has revealed a link between the vaccine and
autism. But until now they have all concentrated on what happened after MMR
vaccination for children was introduced. Honda's is the first to look at
the autism rate after the MMR vaccine has been withdrawn. Japan withdrew it
in April 1993 following reports that the anti-mumps component was causing
meningitis (it plans to introduce another version).
With his colleagues Yasuo Shimizu and Michael Rutter of the Institute of
Psychiatry in London, Honda looked at the records of 31,426 children born
in one district of Yokohama between 1988 and 1996. The team counted
children diagnosed as autistic by the age of 7. They found the cases
continued to multiply after the vaccine withdrawal, ranging from 48 to 86
cases per 10,000 children before withdrawal to 97 to 161 per 10,000
afterwards. The same pattern was seen with a particular form of autism in
which children appear to develop normally and then suddenly regress – the
form linked to MMR by Wakefield.
The study cannot rule out the possibility that MMR triggers autism in a
tiny number of children, as some claim, but it does show there is no
large-scale effect. The vaccine "cannot have caused autism in the many
children with autism spectrum disorders in Japan who were born and grew up
in the era when MMR was not available", Honda concludes. His team's
findings appear in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (DOI:
10.1111.j.1469–7610.2005.01425.x).
So if the vaccine is not responsible for the rising rates of autism, what
is? "Clearly some environmental factors are causing the increases," says
Irva Hertz-Picciotto of the University of California at Davis. Other
experts disagree, saying the apparent rise could be the result of changing
diagnostic criteria and the rising profile of the disorder (New Scientist,
17 February 2001, p 17).
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Author wrote:
A step further than spin is true censorship, not just putting the best
gloss on a situation but supressing certain key(and important) facts.
There has been some reports of new research into the MMR, 3in 1 jag for
infant immunisation against certain childhood diseases. The uptake of the
MMR has fallen due to an alleged connection with increasing levels of
autism. Some parents did not wish to take that risk and wanted to opt for
single injections, spread over a longer period. This option was denied to
them (What freedom of choice do we see in action here ?)
The new research originated from Japan. The MMR vaccination
has been banned in Japan since the early 1990's. The Japanese
government believes there is a possible link to meningitis.
If this part of the reporting is ommitted, parents would be forgiven if
they were to regard this as proof that the MMR is safe. This is not only
irresponsible but, surely, possibly criminally negligent ?
Frances
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Originally from: Pat Gardiner

This will help

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524895.300

Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan
05 March 2005

MMR and AutismPARENTS need have no more fears about the triple vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella. A study of more than 30,000 children in Japan should put the final nail in the coffin of the claim that the MMR vaccine is responsible for the apparent rise in autism in recent years.

The study shows that in the city of Yokohama the number of children with autism continued to rise after the MMR vaccine was replaced with single vaccines. "The findings... are resoundingly negative," says Hideo Honda of the Yokohama Rehabilitation Center.

In the UK, parents panicked and vaccination rates plummeted after gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield claimed in a 1998 study that MMR might trigger autism, although the study was based on just 12 children and later retracted by most of its co-authors. Soon the vaccine was being blamed for the apparent rise in autism, with Wakefield citing data from California (see Graph). In some parts of the UK, the proportion of children receiving both doses of the MMR vaccine has dropped to 60 per cent. This has led to a rise in measles outbreaks and fears of an epidemic.

Not one epidemiological study has revealed a link between the vaccine and autism. But until now they have all concentrated on what happened after MMR vaccination for children was introduced. Honda's is the first to look at the autism rate after the MMR vaccine has been withdrawn. Japan withdrew it in April 1993 following reports that the anti-mumps component was causing meningitis (it plans to introduce another version).

With his colleagues Yasuo Shimizu and Michael Rutter of the Institute of Psychiatry in London, Honda looked at the records of 31,426 children born in one district of Yokohama between 1988 and 1996. The team counted children diagnosed as autistic by the age of 7. They found the cases continued to multiply after the vaccine withdrawal, ranging from 48 to 86 cases per 10,000 children before withdrawal to 97 to 161 per 10,000 afterwards. The same pattern was seen with a particular form of autism in which children appear to develop normally and then suddenly regress – the form linked to MMR by Wakefield.

The study cannot rule out the possibility that MMR triggers autism in a tiny number of children, as some claim, but it does show there is no large-scale effect. The vaccine "cannot have caused autism in the many children with autism spectrum disorders in Japan who were born and grew up in the era when MMR was not available", Honda concludes. His team's findings appear in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (DOI: 10.1111.j.1469–7610.2005.01425.x).

So if the vaccine is not responsible for the rising rates of autism, what is? "Clearly some environmental factors are causing the increases," says Irva Hertz-Picciotto of the University of California at Davis. Other experts disagree, saying the apparent rise could be the result of changing diagnostic criteria and the rising profile of the disorder (New Scientist, 17 February 2001, p 17).

Regards
Pat Gardiner

Originally from: frances fish

To vaccinate with the MMR you challenge the body (in the usual case, very young bodies) 3 times as much as if you vaccinated against a single disease at intervals. It is quite a lot for youngsters to have to cope with. No wonder many feel(and act) "off" for days afterwards. I can only assume that the reason, apart from bloody-mindedness, is the usual cost. Is it cheaper to use a triple rather than individual injections ? Frances
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