Greetings and farewell

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Subject: [farmtalking] Greetings and farewell

Jane,

it was lovely to meet you last week at Julia's FMD exhibition in
Stroud. That event,a lot of people felt, with the play and get-together
afterwards, marked a turning point in the FMD episode, a sort of

closure,

not that we will forget. For a while now the majority even of the hard

core

activists seemed to have been suffering from burn-out, of emotion, time or
finances.Obviously, the FMD Forum will continue with it's work, as will
others, fortunately including warmwell, and professionals in the field

like

Keith Sumption, but at this juncture I would like to take the opportunity,
speaking as someone who did experience the cull at first hand, to thank

you

for all the many, many hours of selfless unremunerated work you have put

in.I

hope that when you have had a rest you will find new ways to put your
experience to good use,I'm sure that these channels will inspire afresh.

The

'Hearts of .. 'is a good idea that got sidelined (or trampled) in the

rush.

It may yet, in some form or other, get dusted off, although I can see the
idea of duplicating the mechanisms of governance appearing ridiculous in

some

quarters, especially Centralising ones.

Bill was talking about defeatism last night ; I don't see it that

way.

Yes, we lost in 2001, no question, but, and it is a big but, we are not
allowing them to re-write the History. More and more of the movers and
shakers are coming over to the point of view they really ought to have

held ,

if not in the first place, then at least the second or third; better late
than never. The big challenge now is to sort the Contingency Plans, agree

the

protocols, etc, etc. but courtesy of the House of Lords and the efforts of
which we are all aware, the stone is rolling uphill. Of course the

Government

aren't going to give up Office over it, it would be unrealistic to expect
such. Weasel words cover a lot, for example 'flexibility' could mean to
vaccinate or it could mean another bloodbath, but at least they offer

scope

for compromise; indeed I would also argue for flexibility in the

Contingency

plan, as Dr North said, we don't want a mandatory knee-jerk vaccination
programme if it's only one case. That said, would you draw down the first
half milion doses automatically on confirmation of first case; the

financing

for such will have to be thought through so that CVO's are not overly
cautious of spending (rather than protecting), presumably as part of a

'pay

whether we use it or not' formula to enable profitable vaccine production

and

storage. Perhaps short life antigen could be donated to the global

control

/eradication programme Margaret Beckett is urging, following Fred Brown's
plea for the same, so any write off would be for the good of the global
community and thereby in our interest anyway.

So no, I don't think defeatism is called for, but neither is Champagne;

just

more work to be done. Incidentally, at some point we are going to have to
discuss what we feel about the use of recombinant technology in vaccines.

Do

we accept non-recombinant (ie GM) vaccines or will we endorse

recombinant?

I'm sure these pages will keep you on the go.

On behalf of the farmers on this group, and the many others not on

it

who benefited from your work, thank you Jane,
with best wishes, Chris.

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 Subject: [farmtalking] Greetings and farewell

 Jane,

 it was lovely to meet you last week at Julia's FMD exhibition in
 Stroud. That event,a lot of people felt, with the play and get-together
 afterwards, marked a turning point in the FMD episode, a sort of closure,
 not that we will forget. For a while now the majority even of the hard core
 activists seemed to have been suffering from burn-out, of emotion, time or
 finances.Obviously, the FMD Forum will continue with it's work, as will
 others, fortunately including warmwell, and professionals in the field like
 Keith Sumption, but at this juncture I would like to take the opportunity,
 speaking as someone who did experience the cull at first hand, to thank you
 for all the many, many hours of selfless unremunerated work you have put in.I
 hope that when you have had a rest you will find new ways to put your
 experience to good use,I'm sure that these channels will inspire afresh. The
 'Hearts of .. 'is a good idea that got sidelined (or trampled) in the rush.
 It may yet, in some form or other, get dusted off, although I can see the
 idea of duplicating the mechanisms of governance appearing ridiculous in some
 quarters, especially Centralising ones.

 Bill was talking about defeatism last night ; I don't see it that way.
 Yes, we lost in 2001, no question, but, and it is a big but, we are not
 allowing them to re-write the History. More and more of the movers and
 shakers are coming over to the point of view they really ought to have held ,
 if not in the first place, then at least the second or third; better late
 than never. The big challenge now is to sort the Contingency Plans, agree the
 protocols, etc, etc. but courtesy of the House of Lords and the efforts of
 which we are all aware, the stone is rolling uphill. Of course the Government
 aren't going to give up Office over it, it would be unrealistic to expect
 such. Weasel words cover a lot, for example 'flexibility' could mean to
 vaccinate or it could mean another bloodbath, but at least they offer scope
 for compromise; indeed I would also argue for flexibility in the Contingency
 plan, as Dr North said, we don't want a mandatory knee-jerk vaccination
 programme if it's only one case. That said, would you draw down the first
 half milion doses automatically on confirmation of first case; the financing
 for such will have to be thought through so that CVO's are not overly
 cautious of spending (rather than protecting), presumably as part of a 'pay
 whether we use it or not' formula to enable profitable vaccine production and
 storage. Perhaps short life antigen could be donated to the global control
 /eradication programme Margaret Beckett is urging, following Fred Brown's
 plea for the same, so any write off would be for the good of the global
 community and thereby in our interest anyway.

 So no, I don't think defeatism is called for, but neither is Champagne; just
 more work to be done. Incidentally, at some point we are going to have to
 discuss what we feel about the use of recombinant technology in vaccines. Do
 we accept non-recombinant (ie GM) vaccines or will we endorse recombinant?
 I'm sure these pages will keep you on the go.

 On behalf of the farmers on this group, and the many others not on it
 who benefited from your work, thank you Jane,
 with best wishes, Chris.

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Author wrote:
Not a farmer Chris just a few pet sheep, but without Jane, Mary, and the
message boards, both I and Duncan would have given in and let them take the
sheep. Not because we are cowards, but because there was NO other message
other then 'let them take your animals '. I cannot and will never be able
to stress how important all the above mentioned were and all the people on
those groups. The support, the strength, the ground breaking news that was
being sent backwards and forwards from people all over the Country and from
people overseas was truly a 'lifeline'.
I do not think we have 'lost'. They cannot and never did fight us all
fairly. The only way they can see to winning is the AHB! That is not a
victory is it?
Chris I do not know about vaccination (which sort etc) all I hope is – that
they use it, and never ever bring about another horror as witnessed in 2001.
I truly hope that all the people on this group and good caring animals
owners the length and breadth of the Country keep their animals safe and
well.
Good luck in what ever you do Jane – and to everyone else.
Coleen
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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: [farmtalking] Greetings and farewell

Jane,

it was lovely to meet you last week at Julia's FMD exhibition in
Stroud. That event,a lot of people felt, with the play and get-together
afterwards, marked a turning point in the FMD episode, a sort of

closure,

not that we will forget. For a while now the majority even of the hard

core

activists seemed to have been suffering from burn-out, of emotion, time or
finances.Obviously, the FMD Forum will continue with it's work, as will
others, fortunately including warmwell, and professionals in the field

like

Keith Sumption, but at this juncture I would like to take the opportunity,
speaking as someone who did experience the cull at first hand, to thank

you

for all the many, many hours of selfless unremunerated work you have put

in.I

hope that when you have had a rest you will find new ways to put your
experience to good use,I'm sure that these channels will inspire afresh.

The

'Hearts of .. 'is a good idea that got sidelined (or trampled) in the

rush.

It may yet, in some form or other, get dusted off, although I can see the
idea of duplicating the mechanisms of governance appearing ridiculous in

some

quarters, especially Centralising ones.

Bill was talking about defeatism last night ; I don't see it that

way.

Yes, we lost in 2001, no question, but, and it is a big but, we are not
allowing them to re-write the History. More and more of the movers and
shakers are coming over to the point of view they really ought to have

held ,

if not in the first place, then at least the second or third; better late
than never. The big challenge now is to sort the Contingency Plans, agree

the

protocols, etc, etc. but courtesy of the House of Lords and the efforts of
which we are all aware, the stone is rolling uphill. Of course the

Government

aren't going to give up Office over it, it would be unrealistic to expect
such. Weasel words cover a lot, for example 'flexibility' could mean to
vaccinate or it could mean another bloodbath, but at least they offer

scope

for compromise; indeed I would also argue for flexibility in the

Contingency

plan, as Dr North said, we don't want a mandatory knee-jerk vaccination
programme if it's only one case. That said, would you draw down the first
half milion doses automatically on confirmation of first case; the

financing

for such will have to be thought through so that CVO's are not overly
cautious of spending (rather than protecting), presumably as part of a

'pay

whether we use it or not' formula to enable profitable vaccine production

and

storage. Perhaps short life antigen could be donated to the global

control

/eradication programme Margaret Beckett is urging, following Fred Brown's
plea for the same, so any write off would be for the good of the global
community and thereby in our interest anyway.

So no, I don't think defeatism is called for, but neither is Champagne;

just

more work to be done. Incidentally, at some point we are going to have to
discuss what we feel about the use of recombinant technology in vaccines.

Do

we accept non-recombinant (ie GM) vaccines or will we endorse

recombinant?

I'm sure these pages will keep you on the go.

On behalf of the farmers on this group, and the many others not on

it

who benefited from your work, thank you Jane,
with best wishes, Chris.

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Originally from: ... [...] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:05 PM
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Subject: [farmtalking] Greetings and farewell

 Jane,

 it was lovely to meet you last week at Julia's FMD exhibition in Stroud. That event,a lot of people felt, with the play and get-together afterwards, marked a turning point in the FMD episode, a sort of closure, not that we will forget. For a while now the majority even of the hard core activists seemed to have been suffering from burn-out, of emotion, time or finances.Obviously, the FMD Forum will continue with it's work, as will others, fortunately including warmwell, and professionals in the field like Keith Sumption, but at this juncture I would like to take the opportunity, speaking as someone who did experience the cull at first hand, to thank you for all the many, many hours of selfless unremunerated work you have put in.I
hope that when you have had a rest you will find new ways to put your experience to good use,I'm sure that these channels will inspire afresh. The 'Hearts of .. 'is a good idea that got sidelined (or trampled) in the rush. It may yet, in some form or other, get dusted off, although I can see the idea of duplicating the mechanisms of governance appearing ridiculous in some
quarters, especially Centralising ones.

 Bill was talking about defeatism last night ; I don't see it that way.
Yes, we lost in 2001, no question, but, and it is a big but, we are not allowing them to re-write the History. More and more of the movers and shakers are coming over to the point of view they really ought to have held
,
if not in the first place, then at least the second or third; better late than never. The big challenge now is to sort the Contingency Plans, agree the
protocols, etc, etc. but courtesy of the House of Lords and the efforts of which we are all aware, the stone is rolling uphill. Of course the Government
aren't going to give up Office over it, it would be unrealistic to expect such. Weasel words cover a lot, for example 'flexibility' could mean to vaccinate or it could mean another bloodbath, but at least they offer scope for compromise; indeed I would also argue for flexibility in the Contingency plan, as Dr North said, we don't want a mandatory knee-jerk vaccination programme if it's only one case. That said, would you draw down the first half milion doses automatically on confirmation of first case; the financing for such will have to be thought through so that CVO's are not overly cautious of spending (rather than protecting), presumably as part of a 'pay whether we use it or not' formula to enable profitable vaccine production and
storage. Perhaps short life antigen could be donated to the global control /eradication programme Margaret Beckett is urging, following Fred Brown's plea for the same, so any write off would be for the good of the global community and thereby in our interest anyway.

So no, I don't think defeatism is called for, but neither is Champagne; just more work to be done. Incidentally, at some point we are going to have to discuss what we feel about the use of recombinant technology in vaccines. Do we accept non-recombinant (ie GM) vaccines or will we endorse recombinant? I'm sure these pages will keep you on the go.

 On behalf of the farmers on this group, and the many others not on it
who benefited from your work, thank you Jane,
 with best wishes, Chris.

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