Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: New - ''Theory on the cause of BSE''

Originally from: Peter Greenhill

Mark,

I have seen your correpondence with Frances and I fully understand your point of view. There are occasions in every walk of life where a comparative layman/woman says "I don`t know why, but this or that does not seem right". Isaac Newton did much the same as did John Harrison with his now-famous sea clocks proving that there was a mechanical answer to a desperately serious problem for marine navigators. The so-called "experts" pooh-poohed his ideas and it took forever for him to prove his point.

I get very angry with the press over any whiff of BSE. Recently, Border tv (itv for the region) carried an item about the hint that a Holstein had gone down with BSE. The lady journalist who can be best described as an "airhead" banged on about the human form of mad cow disease and the horrible threat this posed to anyone eating beef tarahtarahtarah!!!!. I remonstrated with the tv company pointing out that there was absolutely no evidence that the cow had contracted BSE, in fact it was more likely that it was a bovine infection with some clinical similarities which could not be transmitted to humans. In any event – and this was well-know BEFORE the broadcast, the cow concerned was a dairy heiffer and in any event, the meat from such an animal would not enter the food chain. They responded by saying that the milk could be contaminated but failed to take any notice that the cow concerned was a heiffer and had never contributed to the national milk system.

You may recall when you were here that we mentioned the four cases of CJD in Queneborough (Northants) This was only of interest to us in that a friend had lived there. One of the cases was a girl who had NEVER eaten meat having been a veggie from almost infant days. We had suggested that in view of this cluster it might be worthwhile looking at the medical records and in particular, any prescriptions where there could be some commonality. As you will know, there was some concern that preparations using bovine spinal fluids were still in store at pharmacies well after the outbreak of BSE. There was an absolute stonewall silence and I heard on my NHS grapevine that the subject was not to be taken up. How accurate this info was I cannot say but it makes you think.

I have no scientific knowledge but I get very angry that many of those who have are prepared to sell their souls for the sake of their careers. Clear evidence for that was the BSE/CJD and FMD fiascos. Those in political power are quite prepared to repeat twaddle because with them it sounds fine – well it would wouldn`t it?

Peter

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Subject: Re: [farmtalking] New – 'Theory on the cause of BSE'
Thanks Frances,
it is good to know that I am communicating, since I sometmes find myself
getting buried in too deeply into some of the research papers that I am
reading.
And as a result, I start to loose the position / orientation of my own
research at times.
I think that the scientific perspectives of life ( not that humans
understand a great deal of that so far ) is something that needs to be
circulated
and shared by as many people on the planet as possible. Afterall, its
often the
grass roots people on the ground that have made the creative leaps in
scientific thinking and discoveries, but this is all too often ignored
for many
decades after the initial flashburst of insight – until some socially
recognised
'expert' stumbles on the same idea. Meanwhile society has been
disadvantaged
for all of those decades in that it has not derived any of the social
benefits from that discovery – all due to the arrogant / bigoted elements
of the
scientific leadership that automatically reject any ideas flowing in from
the
non scientific quarters of the community – like Pavlov's salivating dogs
.

So communication has to be the key – a crossflow of knowledge passing
between academic and practical / hands-on earth based communities in the
world.
That sows the seeds for the growth of lateral based thinking which will
inevitably result in positive scientific advancements.
But one is not going to communicate to 99% of the population if you
confine
your communications to the elitist phraseology of the scientific world.
As
you say, some so called 'experts' hide their inadequacies behind that
veil of
scientific jargon, and they end up suffocating themselves in the realms
of
their meaningless phraseology; which, once you have decoded it, turns out
to be
saying absolutely nothing constructive at all – often wholly unscientific
too !!
I always remember the paper that came out in the Veterinary Record that
broke the news of the BSE in the Kudu antelopes that were kept at the
London Zoo.
Because, no meat and bone meal had been fed to these antelope in any guise
at all – only dried grass / alfalfa pellets and minerals – and this was
embarrassing to the official theory, the authors had launched into this
ridiculously far fetched ramble of epidemiological jargon which was trying
to suggest
that in the history of the zoo, some cow incubating BSE might have
actually
walked across the paddock where the kudu were kept and deposited prions
on the
pasture in their dung. I could not believe such stupidity. Its beneath
the
level of schoolkids. Have they ever kept the domestic cow at the London
zoo ? I
would not pay the entry fee to the zoo to go and see a common Friesian !!
Also how many runaway stray cows do you get in Regent's Park in the
centre of
London ?
Then the authors concocted some equally ridiculous hypothesis , how wild
cats had access to the meat store which was the source of the Puma's /
Cheetah's feed ( they had also developed BSE too ), so those cats might
have cross
contaminated the Kudu feed store with the infectious prion agent – where
the
wild cats also visited. It went on trying to squeeze blood out of a
sinking
stone......
If I had even submitted ( let alone got published ) such an unscientific
hypothesis to the Vet record, I would have been discredited for life –
debarred
from getting published or even considered for publication ever again. But
because the unscientific myth of these authors was supportive of the
government
theory, this "landmark" publication is still upheld as the unquestionable
gospel according to the cause of BSE in the zoo animals , even today.
This kind
of junk science has thwarted the whole healthy evolution of scientific
advancement in the world , and it must be brought to account immediately.
It is clear that BSE is not going to present us with the crisis of
biblical
proportions that the leading experts had forcast. But one day the
ignorant,
unilateral, self protecting approach that is currently adopted by Western
governments into dealing with mystery epidemics might actually backfire
on us and
reap catastrophic repercussions – particularly if a real, all life
threatening condition does actually rear its ugly head above the horizon
one day. This
could lead to the extermination of life on earth. So we need to change
the
way that governments approach and deal with these kind of crises NOW,
before
it is too late.
Best,
Mark
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