Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Time to redefine?

Originally from: Tom Lonsdale

Hi from Downunder,

A couple of Christmas's ago I had the pleasure of meeting Jane and more recently I've lurked on the list. As an introductory it seems appropriate to offer a couple of comments on the recent EU Bones Directive. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/10984387?source=Evening%20Standard

As a species it seems we are adept at missing the point, talking off the subject and misdefining things to the point where we are all confused. The latest official EU classification of raw bones as 'waste' to be thrown away under penalty of a fine, will, I think, one day be seen as one of the classic blunders.

Even defining bones as 'food' for dogs (and cats and ferrets) seems to me to miss the point and understate the importance. In Nature it seems bones (providing they are raw and meaty) act as food and medicine for carnivores. If carnivores get their fill they stay fit and healthy: if they do not they fall by the wayside. The regulators become regulated out of existence and the cycle continues.

Food and medicine, you query? Why are bones so potent? How are they so potent?

It's not in doubt that raw meaty bones act as therapeutic and preventative medicine in domestic carnivores. The evidence is staggering and easy to see once you look.

A range of diseases, starting with gum disease and including skin, gut, joint and etc diseases resolve when domestic carnivores are switched from commercial food to a raw-meaty-bones based diet. And of course those diseases and a host more are prevented by such a diet.

The implications for carnivore health are of course staggering (and the resultant agricultural and supply industries). But the research potential for human health are probably equally impressive. By researching what happens at the extreme end of the nutritional spectrum we should be able to reapply that information for omnivores in the middle.

Somehow we need to conflate the idea of bones being both 'food' and 'medicine' then the idea of chucking them in the waste bin might be seen in a truer light.

Best wishes,

Tom Lonsdale
Ps. Raw Meaty Bones seminars Brighton 19 June, Essex 1 July, York 3 July 2004 See you there

Details www.rawmeatybones.com

At 12:32 AM 28/05/2004, you wrote:
I rather think they will ban smoking in public places and not before too
long either! More's the pity IMO, but then I'm a smoker!
I guess their arguement for the banning of bones for pets is that in their
opinion such a practice is likely to be harmful too, though harmful to
what or whom is uncertain.
Of course it could also be that John Reid is right, and they do listen to
the people and act on what they tell them, What we have to realize is that
in a democracy we have to accept that the majority opinion will be the one
that is followed and acted on.
The minority, such as ourselves, may also be listened to but our opinions
are outweighed by the majority.
That isn't to say that the minority haven't got it right in many respects
but their opinions and advice fall on deaf ears. Especially when they
question the actions of huge manufacturing companies such as those
involved in the Pet Food and allied industries.
I guess that's the price we pay for 'Globalization' and that opens yet
another huge can of worms! Pardon the pun!
Jane
Author wrote:
Strange isn't it – how they will not ban smoking in public places.
Something that is offensive and harmful to many people they will not ban.
Yet they are telling us what we can and cannot eat (freedom of choice
taken
away) what we can and cannot feed our dogs. They want us to all loose
weight and be more healthy – yet they want our dogs to eat the dried tinned
rubbish so we can make the pet food manufacturers even richer. So whilst we
all get super thin and fit – our dogs turn into junk eating, bad breathed
creatures.
I listened to John Reid Minister for Health this morning actually say
'we are listening to the people, and we do act on what they tell
us'. I was
not aware it was April the 1st!
I am concerned how they keep calling being fat a disease – should we ALL be
worried? We know how we treat diseases here in the UK! So are all the
(over weight people) going to be shot. I will get even more worried when I
hear or read that this has been given over the DEFRA.
Coleen
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Total madness. Bones are a valuable resource, mineral stores. Look at how
human health has deteriorated since the banning of MBM from manufactured
food in
1996. We have a cancer epidemic, an Alzheimer's epidemic, an obesity
epidemic.
We are urged to re-cycle tin cans yet we must incinerate bones, precious
mineral stores that mankind has been re-cycling for thousands of years.
Bill.
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