Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: Avian flu

Originally from: coleen

Hi Hilary,

There are good people on this group who care, and I guess there must be more out there who we cannot reach. If we have 'faith' and I guess we all must have , or we would simply pack in, and call it a day. Then we have to believe that one day the abusers will meet their reckoning, and the abused will stand up and be counted. It is hard to see that happening at this moment in time – but I reckon if and when it comes – it will be one heck of a showdown!

I think the World has gone 'virus' mad – not just in the human and animal kingdom. They are coming in like crazy via email.

Best Wishes
Coleen

----- Original Message -----
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Originally from: "Hilary Peters" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu
Dear Coleen,
I've been having a computer virus. I wanted to reply sooner.
I agree the way we behave it's highly likely that we will wipe out the
human
race and maybe take the planet with us. There's a part of me that says we
deserve it.
But there's always the other side. Respect and compassion are part of the
whole human package and surface just when they are least expected.
It's a bugger isn't it?
Love, Hilary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Coleen Taylor" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu
Hi Hilary,
My theory is that the next big 'bang' will come from us. We will wipe
ourselves out, through our greed and self preservation that we exploit
regardless of who and what else suffers.
I think that the scares we have seen, BSE, FMD, SARS, AVIAN FLU to name
a
few, are warnings that we cannot go on the way we are.
If we look outside animal diseases we are incredibly fortunate that aids
does not spread in the way that SARS does. Aids is wiping out huge
parts
of
Africa and other Third World Countries. No vaccine and look how long
Aids
has been with us. How long before we face something like this that is
as
serious as aids, and spreads like SARS.
No matter what the World Heath Organisation does and says, no matter
what
restrictions our own DEFRA put into place, you cannot stop people from
travelling and spreading whatever it might be. We should all be
concerned –
but I guess most are busy looking after number one, or to ignorant to
even
realise what is going on. Did we not say these very same things
throughout
fmd…
I feel sick at the sight of all those poor birds being bound in sacks
and
buried millions and millions of them. To hell with Thailand's economy.
Get
the welfare right, and this would never have happened, or at least it
could
have been contained.
Keep saying it Hilary. I am with you all the way. If man chooses to
make
his living from animals, then the least he can do is show them respect
and
compassion. Neither of those cost anything – only human decency. I
somehow
think that got lost, along the way.
Coleen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary Peters" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu
Absolutely, Coleen.
I say this so often to minimal enthusiasm. It is really encouraging
when
someone else says it.
Thank you.
Hilary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Coleen Taylor" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu
Hi Hilary,
We can go on slaughtering animals until dooms day, but until we stop
housing
animals in over crowded, dirty, and inhuman conditions then nothing
is
ever
going to change. The animals are the one's that pay the price for
our
mistakes. (Look how many Civic cats got destroyed because of the
latest
SARS cases). Easy to blame those that cannot speak..
We import some fifty thousands tons of chicken from these
Countries –
it
turns my stomach just thinking about it – never mind eating it
(which
I
do
not). I am afraid I do not hold Thailand and other such Countries
high
on
my list for animal welfare standards or health standards – but the
meat
comes flooding in and the consumer goes out and buys it.
I just hope that this bird flu never rears it's ugly head here in
the
UK,
because unlike fmd this can and does kill people. That is worrying –
there
would probably not be a bird left (any bird) when this Government
had
finished!
I often wonder why we are looking at ways to visit the Moon and
Mars,
when
we cannot even get living here on Earth right. We seem hell bent on
self
destructing in our greed and total lack of respect for any other
life
form.

Coleen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary Peters" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: [farmtalking] Avian flu
Is no one interested in bird flu, or are we all silenced (as I am)
by
the
hideous parallel with Foot and Mouth? Intensive farming has thrown
up
another proof of its own unfitness to survive and all we worry about
is
the
threat to human life.
Cruelty does not feature at all as something that needs to be
eradicated.
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