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Originally from: "Coleen Taylor" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu

Hi Hilary,

My theory is that the next big 'bang' will come from us. We will wipe
ourselves out, through our greed and self preservation that we exploit
regardless of who and what else suffers.

I think that the scares we have seen, BSE, FMD, SARS, AVIAN FLU to name a
few, are warnings that we cannot go on the way we are.

If we look outside animal diseases we are incredibly fortunate that aids
does not spread in the way that SARS does. Aids is wiping out huge parts

of

Africa and other Third World Countries. No vaccine and look how long Aids
has been with us. How long before we face something like this that is as
serious as aids, and spreads like SARS.

No matter what the World Heath Organisation does and says, no matter what
restrictions our own DEFRA put into place, you cannot stop people from
travelling and spreading whatever it might be. We should all be

concerned –

but I guess most are busy looking after number one, or to ignorant to even
realise what is going on. Did we not say these very same things throughout
fmd...

I feel sick at the sight of all those poor birds being bound in sacks and
buried millions and millions of them. To hell with Thailand's economy.

Get

the welfare right, and this would never have happened, or at least it

could

have been contained.

Keep saying it Hilary. I am with you all the way. If man chooses to make
his living from animals, then the least he can do is show them respect

and

compassion. Neither of those cost anything – only human decency. I

somehow

think that got lost, along the way.

Coleen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary Peters" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu

Absolutely, Coleen.

I say this so often to minimal enthusiasm. It is really encouraging

when

someone else says it.
Thank you.

Hilary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Coleen Taylor" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [farmtalking] Avian flu

Hi Hilary,

We can go on slaughtering animals until dooms day, but until we stop

housing

animals in over crowded, dirty, and inhuman conditions then nothing is

ever

going to change. The animals are the one's that pay the price for our
mistakes. (Look how many Civic cats got destroyed because of the

latest

SARS cases). Easy to blame those that cannot speak..

We import some fifty thousands tons of chicken from these Countries –

it

turns my stomach just thinking about it – never mind eating it (which

I

do

not). I am afraid I do not hold Thailand and other such Countries

high

on

my list for animal welfare standards or health standards – but the

meat

comes flooding in and the consumer goes out and buys it.

I just hope that this bird flu never rears it's ugly head here in the

UK,

because unlike fmd this can and does kill people. That is worrying –

there

would probably not be a bird left (any bird) when this Government had
finished!

I often wonder why we are looking at ways to visit the Moon and Mars,

when

we cannot even get living here on Earth right. We seem hell bent on

self

destructing in our greed and total lack of respect for any other life

form.

Coleen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hilary Peters" <...>
To: <...>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: [farmtalking] Avian flu

Is no one interested in bird flu, or are we all silenced (as I am) by

the

hideous parallel with Foot and Mouth? Intensive farming has thrown up
another proof of its own unfitness to survive and all we worry about

is

the

threat to human life.
Cruelty does not feature at all as something that needs to be

eradicated.

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