Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: RE: Fwd: WMN: DEFRA WARNS THAT DEADLINE IS RUNNING OUT FORHORSE PASSPORTS

Originally from: brentns

Subject: Re: [farmtalking] RE: Fwd: WMN: DEFRA WARNS THAT DEADLINE IS
RUNNING OUT FOR HORSE PASSPORTS
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:50:58 -0000
Burkie,
Wake up yourself, what do you think your Patriots Bill is all about, your
country is getting nearer George Orwell's 1984 every day. To call New
Labour
Communist is an all time joke, Fascist I will accept. There have been many
so called Communist regimes, but they were/are Fascist. Communism is an
impossible dream, human nature will not allow it to happen, just like true
Christianity.
Ever in hope,
Ron.

Hitler did not have Mussolini's revolutionary socialist background...Nevertheless, he shared the socialist hatred and contempt for the 'bourgeoisie' and 'capitalism' and exploited for his purposes the powerful socialist traditions of Germany. The adjectives 'socialist' and 'worker' in the official name of Hitler's party ('The Nationalist-Socialist German Workers' Party') had not merely propagandistic value...On one occasion, in the midst of World war II, Hitler even declared that 'basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.'
—Richard Pipes (1999), Property and Freedom, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, p. 220

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power."
-FDR

Springtime for Trotsky
In most circles the word "fascist" is a generic pejorative, an epithet that conveys a moral judgment rather than a description. We Americans have perhaps become so accustomed to this use of the word that we don't even think about it. We should, because "fascist" in this sense was specifically coined by the Communist revolutionary Leon Trotsky to identify all of his rivals, even Stalin, with Hitler and Mussolini – and with "the right." Its use reveals the undying influence of Trotsky.
By calling Stalin a fascist, Trotsky and his followers could claim that "real" socialism is not a murderous ideology. They could further claim that all true threats to human dignity and freedom really come from the right. Although Trotsky himself had a rather fateful encounter with an icepick in 1940, Trotkyists today continue his fight on behalf of international social democracy. These days however Trotskyists prefer to call themselves "neoconservatives."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy23.html

Socialazzi and the Three E's
Indeed Europe outside of the United Kingdom has always had a problem understanding the core concepts of freedom.
snip

Right now the entire continent is proceeding at breakneck speed into a new soviet-model collective as it coerces its member states through a deceptive dialectical process designed to march them from freedom to a totally planned society, all while promising them utopia.
Westerners erroneously adhere to the belief that socialism is leftist and fascism is rightist, dialectical opposites measured along a straight political plane of extremes.In reality both lead away from freedom towards dictatorships, which are remarkably similar.
snip
Socialism and fascism only appear different when they're sliding down the outside of their respective circles. One they arrive at the nether circle, both are functionally and historically very much alike. Both societies believe in total government control of the economy, education, morals, suppression of free speech and other rights, imposition of a politically correct ideology, subordination of citizens' rights to the goals of the state or collective, and the use
of law to coerce and pro(per)secute those who dissent.
Bottom line: At the top of the circle in a free state the laws protect the people from government. At the bottom of the circle in a socialist or fascist state, the laws protect government from the people. http://www.steelonsteel.com/articles/socialazzi.html

When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity.

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical

Thomas Jefferson

We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other
John Adams

In general the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." Voltaire--1764

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Subject: [farmtalking] RE: Fwd: WMN: DEFRA WARNS THAT DEADLINE IS RUNNING
OUT FOR HORSE PASSPORTS
This is just another scheme to delve into one's private life in the U.K.
I'd tell them to go.....to ........hell.
Let's face it .....the U.K is nearly a Communist country, run by
administrators intimidated by their Superiors.
When in the world are you people gonna wake up...after it's all over?
Burkie in Kansas
Author wrote:
--- John Youles <...> wrote:
DEFRA WARNS THAT DEADLINE IS RUNNING OUT FOR HORSE
PASSPORTS
09:00 – 24 October 2003
Defra has published a leaflet to remind horse owners
that there are only 14
weeks left in which to apply for horse passports,
which become mandatory from
January 1, 2004. The leaflet entitled What Does This
Mean For You? outlines the
importance of getting passports, and answers key
questions about the application
process.
Owners must ensure that all their horses, ponies and
donkeys have valid
passports. The deadline for applications is December
31, 2003, and from January
1, 2004 it will be illegal to sell an equine without
a passport.
There are more than 70 organisations with the
authority to issue horse
passports, and costs vary. A complete list is
available from the Defra website.
Approximately 75 per cent of equine veterinary
medicines used in the UK have not
been approved for horses destined for human
consumption, and passports are
designed to ensure that horses treated with these
medicines never enter the
human food chain.
There are no figures yet available to suggest what
percentage of the UK's
estimated 750,000 to 1 million equines now have
passports.
A department spokwesman said: "Defra does not
currently have statistics to show
how many owners have thus far made applications.
With so many outlets having the
authority to issue horse passports, it is difficult
to co-ordinate exact figures
at this stage."
Failure to obtain a passport before the deadline
could result in a £5,000 fine
or one month's imprisonment. "Ultimately, owners
without horse passports after
the end of the year are at risk of prosecution,"
added the spokesman. "We are
continuing to raise awareness of the issue in order
to minimise the number of
cases where such action would have to be
considered."
Copies of the leaflet can be downloaded from Defra's
website at
www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/tracing/horses index.htm
Defra is opening its doors to more organisations to
issue passports as the
December deadline looms. There are now 70 listed by
Defra as eligible to issue
horse passports (PIOs). Among the new PIOs is the
Pleasure Horse Society (PHS),
which is offering a free passport to owners of
horses with unknown breeding when
they join the society.
Rather than being a breed society as such, the PHS
is a web-based "club", which
is an offshoot of insurance broker Equestrian
Direct. However, Defra maintains
that its criteria when determining which bodies may
become a PIO have not
changed. To date only studbooks and competition
organisers have been eligible.
"A studbook is defined in EU law as any book,
register, file or other medium
recording horses registered by an organisation, so
the Pleasure Horse Society
does comply with our criteria," the Defra spokesman
said.
Among the more surprising additions to the list is
Horse Passports Ltd, a
trading company of London's Southall Market, which
sells 70 horses per week.
"We are looking after our business interests," said
director Richard Steele. "If
we accept horses for sale without passports, we
could be aiding and abetting
their owners to break the law. Now, if a horse is
entered for sale without a
passport, we can issue one."
Meanwhile, freeze-marking specialist Farmkey, which
was initially turned down as
a PIO, has been told that its application would be
considered favourably and has
reapplied. Animal microchip specialist Pet-ID has
joined forces with Joydens
Riding Club of Bexley and has approval as a PIO.
And anyone concerned about the numerous gypsy horses
can rest happy in the
knowledge that these horses now have their own
society, which is approved as a
PIO – the Gypsy Cob Society, set up to "protect the
hundreds of years of Romany
bloodlines".
But the accurate recording of successful bloodlines
on a national equine
database being devised by the British Equestrian
Federation (BEF) could be put
in jeopardy by the proliferation of PIOs, warns BEF
consultant director of
breeding Graham Suggett.
"I have expressed concerns to Defra that PIOs that
are not breeding- or
performance-oriented and will not bother to record
breeding details, which are
needed to provide data for a future breeding
programme," he said.
"Many competition horses are part-bred and if we
have no details of their
origins, when their progeny are competing we will be
no further forward."
Defra is unlikely to release final details of the
passport scheme before the end
of August at the earliest, despite the fact that
owners have just a few months
to apply for a passport before the end of the year
deadline.
Fears are growing over a likely end-of-year rush, as
several major
passport-issuing organisations (PIOs) have not even
started processing
applications, pending the response on details such
as the controversial Section
IX "slaughter for human consumption" declaration.
Meanwhile, the Government's promised campaign to
raise awareness among owners
has yet to materialise.
"We can't spend any money on the campaign until the
legislation is passed, so
we're waiting for this," says Defra's Jane Morley.
"It's difficult to target horse people, but we are
thinking of trying to get to
them through tack shops and feed merchants. We're
aware that it's a massive task
and the deadline is to get people's applications in
by the end of this year."
So far, the volume of applications and inquiries
received across the 50-plus
PIOs suggests that not even a quarter of owners of
the estimated one million
equines in England – Scottish and Welsh legislation
is still in its early stages
– will have applied for a passport by 2004.
The BHS has processed just 2,000 applications so
far, and Sport Horse Breeding
of Great Britain (SHB(GB)) around 2,500.
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