Jiglu: Farmtalking: Discussion: Re: FMD future

Originally from: Burkie

Dear Jane: I admit that I've not been totally square in sharing. That has been purposeful.

I was hoping some of you would look into this yourselves. All I am trying to do is provide some "hints" so that you can become aware of other outside dominating factors that have never been in front of any public scrutiny. In fact, what you get by looking up the names "Vestey" or "Vestey Group Ltd." is what you are supposed to learn about these people.

I was just as ignorant of their involvement in world-wide meat production issues as you ....until I started looking harder and harder for more information. It is "out there"...but you have to dig like hell to find it....and when you start connecting the dots....it's a scary picture.

So, Jane, don't feel that I am being evasive....and don't take this personally.....but you do have a "wolf" in the pantry in your country.

Burkie

Author wrote:
Excuse me Gary, but why you think that someone whose name I don't know, which AKAIK has never been published here, whom you refer to as 'Master of the Horse' – who ever that might be – is someone that I consider 'a wonderful person'? I simply cannot understand!
You had asked we look up some rather puzzling clues and I hit upon the the history of the Vestey Company. I read and published what I found, noting that was a successful British & family-owned business and as such many would no doubt like to be the same.
I've thought most people want to run a successful business don't they?
I know nothing about the individuals involved and have not looked into the company any further so please don't attribute to me feelings and thoughts I've never expressed!
Author wrote:
Dear John: It's more tban "just politics." One person in your country has a hell of a lot to answer for....I could ask a hundred "Why Didn't He Do? questions.....Why didn't he stand up and say, "This culling has to stop!"....but that would have affected his own personal pocketbook....we had no idea the extent of influence this person has on your whole meat trade in the U.K and the world, for that matter. But you have had a wolf in your pantry for over a hundred years.....Lord Vestey and the Vestey Group Ltd. and all their world-wide subsidiaries have been picking all our pockets, for over a hundred years.
Jane seems to think the "Master of the Horse" is a wonderful person. I disagree. Odious and despicable is my opinion of this man and his crowd. Of course, another Vestey is placed in the BBC to help sway public opinion. How convenient.
Your 2001 FMD outbreak was nothing more than a decoy...while Vestey Group profited and made changes to benefit themselves, all over the world.
We've all been forced to pay more for meat, both in the U.K and the USA. This is one scary organization...and they are not as "sqeaky-clean" as the image they present.
In fact, I'll go so far as to say that they are one of the dirtiest, most corrupt and greediest crowd of people in the world.
All one has to do is study up on the roles, Labour Party interests and effects of influence Lord Vesty has had on the operation of your government and people in the EU policy-making positions to understand the impact of this person's influence on what has been done with regard to animal disease world-wide policies.
Burkie
Author wrote:
Dear Burkie,
You are absolutely right. It was politics that ruled how the epidemic was
handled and not veterinary medicine.
Apparently some postings on this site are now suggesting that it was not
possible or practical to use the new technology. This is absolute rubbish.
Certain individuals in the vet "profession" are trying to rewrite history
presumably because they do not like the truth.
At the same time that the new technology was being ignored the many vets in
the field who had never seen a clinical case of FMD were apparently
perfectly happy to use their total ignorance to happilly diagnose almost any
ulcerative condition as FMD. Not surprising therefore that many of these
"cases" tested negative but by then thousands more animals were dead.
And yes, on occasion, the SVS subsequently falsified test results to try and
rewrite history even during the epidemic. We have confirmation from Mrs
Beckett herself about this point!
The vets have a lot to answer for. They did have control of what they did.
The farmers didn't.
John Fish
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Subject: Re: [farmtalking] FMD future – Some good news!
Dear Joyce and Friends: You are all losing the main point....you had an
epidemic to fight...and were offerred one machine to test....which was
refused outright, by your own people.

That is absolutely ludicrous....especially since advancement of science
and technology seems to be so important to your FMD authorities.

The opportunity to utilize this machine and it's technology was
refused....yet less than a year later...your Pirbright fellows sent live
virus to at least six European laboratories in at least six different
countries to "test" the very same machines, and technology....with better
results than from an Elisa test.

The REFUSAL TO USE AN RT-PCR WAS PURPOSEFUL.
That decision to not test it during your outbreak is unacceptable.
Burkie in Kansas
Author wrote:
Author wrote:
At 09:59 01/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:
But how many machines were readily available. And one doesn't
usually have
the luxury of deploying novel technology in the face of an epidemic
which
one is already struggling to cope with due to insufficient
adequately
trained/knowledgeable folk on the ground.
Andrew
All the more reason to accept any help that was offered, surely?
No -because all USDA wanted was to conduct field tests with a couple
of
machines – ie. 'play' with their new toys –
That seems a somewhat arrogant statement, Andrew!
Joyce

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